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« on: Sunday 10 June 07 12:41 BST (UK) »

I trying to reseach  a house and the families who may have lived in it over the years. the house is called Efford cottage  in Everton Lymington Hampshire

so far i have found out that at the moment it a guest house i did ring up the the family who owned the place now and she was very helpfull and gave some little bits of infomaton

this is the information i have found so far

   1700 During the purge on Roman Catholicism Father Paul Atkinson was held prisoner at Hurst castle, he died after 30 years of imprisonment 15 Oct 1729. It is said his ghost haunts the old tower.
Father Paul Atkinson use to say mass at Efford Cottage. He is described as dark tonsured man.

1725 when the Lacy family came to live at Efford cottage. Mr Lacy died in 1749.
1891 henry Stuart Murray and family lived here
1901 census
Major Henry Stuart Murray of the 4th West Yorkshire Regt age 30
Mary Florence Sophia Murray wife
Ruby Murray age 9
Marjorie Bromley age 19 Groveness
Susan Ann Reed age 44 Dom Cook
Eva Moore 19 Parlour maid Dom
Ellen Green 19 School Room maid Dom


1919/1926 My grandfather Sidney Henry Markes married my grandmother Edith Markes nee Rigby. Around this time they moved to Efford cottage where my grandfather worked as head gardner. Both my father and his sister where born here.
which is why my interest in the cottage

it is called a cottage but in fact it is a large house
I belive my grandfather who was a gardener could have really lived in one of the cottages on the land

I am now trying to find out who lived there in 1881/71/61/51/41

and onward if i can  any help please
is there a way you can research just an address on ancestry  ?



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Re: reseach on a house
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 June 07 12:51 BST (UK) »

Don't know if you can search census records with just an address but if it was a large, well-known house in the area how about looking through local directories to see if the occupants are listed.
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Re: reseach on a house
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:02 BST (UK) »

1881
Efford Cottage
Jermina Sutton serv u/m 19 housemaid Little Bor??? Kent
John J       "      serv u/m 21 coachman dom "               "


Rg11/ 1191
folio 27

page 7

Next door is a larger house with a lot of people in it

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Re: reseach on a house
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:03 BST (UK) »

Seen Ricky's answer but I've already typed this!

This appears to be the 1881 entry:

Efford Cottage Milford, Hampshire, England
RG11/1191/27 p7   
Jemima Sutton Serv (head) U 19 b Littlebourne, Kent  Housemaid Domestic Serv
John I. Sutton Servant  21 b Littlebourne, Kent  Coachman Domestic Serv

At Everton Lodge which appears to be next door, or at least it was on the enumerators walk! - is a retired Colonel Trevor Goff with a load of servants.  I wonder of Jemima and presumably her brother belong to his household but lived in separate accommodation?

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:15 BST (UK) »

1871

Efford Cottage

Ann Symonds head u/m 47 ???woman Hants Boldre?
Julia     "        sister u/m 43      "                     "
Elizabeth Hill serv u/m 24 dom ser    Herts Kingslangley?
Sarah A White serv u/m 20     "             Hants Breeswood?

Rg10/ 1175
folio 24
page 6
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:37 BST (UK) »

1851

No mention of Efford Cottage, but there are plenty of place's called Efford, so would be a stab in the dark which is which. There is an Efford House with about 23 people living in it

H0107/ 1666
folio 326
page  4 & 5

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:44 BST (UK) »

Hi Cherryberry

1841
same as the 1851 no Efford Cottage mentioned that I can see off

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 June 07 13:53 BST (UK) »

1861

No Efford Cottage mentioned. There is an Efford Lodge/ Efford Mill /Efford House

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 June 07 14:00 BST (UK) »

Don't know if you can search census records with just an address but if it was a large, well-known house in the area how about looking through local directories to see if the occupants are listed.

I was haveing  a look though when your message up  this is going to a tea a biccie  job i think  Grin
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South Sheilds Co Durham Elsy Rames.
Norfolk Elsy. Feathstone Amis
Leeds Yorkshire Rigby Gaunt Gillett
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 June 07 14:06 BST (UK) »

The Hampshire CALM database has several references to Efford Cottage.

http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 June 07 14:13 BST (UK) »

Thank you little Nell and Ricki

how did you find it on the 1881and other census  with out a surname?Huh

Efford house could be the cottage as I have seen photos of off Efford cottage and it does look more like a house  than what we normal would think of as a cottage

http://www.explorethenewforest.co.uk/effordcottage.htm
this is a link to the efford cottage which is now a guest house

hope showing this link  will be ok  as it is advertising,  if not I apologise
It the only photo  I have been able to find

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South Sheilds Co Durham Elsy Rames.
Norfolk Elsy. Feathstone Amis
Leeds Yorkshire Rigby Gaunt Gillett
South Petherton Somerset Marks,Sweet Gayleard Lawrance,Marsh





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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 June 07 14:16 BST (UK) »

A further link to Efford Cottage

http://www.effordcottage.co.uk/contact.htm

click on photo album on left to see a series of photographs of the house.
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Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
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Hert - Barnes
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 10 June 07 16:07 BST (UK) »

Thank you  to everyone's for your  help   and because if that help I have managed to find  that Warren Peacock lived in Efford house 1901 and as the  Murray family lived in Efford Cottage at this time  I think I can safely say  they are two different buildings Smiley

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South Sheilds Co Durham Elsy Rames.
Norfolk Elsy. Feathstone Amis
Leeds Yorkshire Rigby Gaunt Gillett
South Petherton Somerset Marks,Sweet Gayleard Lawrance,Marsh





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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 June 07 19:11 BST (UK) »

Hi Cherryberry

It s a case of finding it on one census , finding the district, then see if its in the same district on other census, if not, its  search page by page till you come to it. I don't know if Little Nell knows another way. A long  procedure, sometimes it works sometimes it don't

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 10 June 07 21:44 BST (UK) »

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I don't know if Little Nell knows another way.

Wish I did  Undecided  1881 address search is my forte - not good with others.

I can tell you that there was an Efford Lodge, Efford Mill, Efford House as well as an Efford Cottage on the 1881 census.  So I think you are right, Efford Cottage is not the same as Efford Lodge or Efford House.

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