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Topic: Esther DAY born circa 1802 Padstow (Read 1401 times)
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deb usa
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hi all
Okay going back to what I CAN find.....
1871 census
William, B Cuming head mar 68 ship owner b Dartmouth
Esther wife mar 68 b Padstow
and 2 servants
OMG...
1881
Stoke Damerel
Tavistock Rd (outlands)
John E Scott head mar 49 Magistrate for Devonport retired merchant b Stoke Damerel
Hannah Scott wife mar 40 b Plymouth
Ettie ? dau unm 17
Rose dau 16
Grace M dau 10 b stoke Damerel
Archibald son 9 b " "
Katherine M B dau 8 "
Charlotte aunt 86 annuitant b Halberton, Devon
Esther D CUMING mother-in-law 78 b Padstow, Cornwall
William B CUMING father-in-law 78 ship owner B Dartmouth
lots of servants
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Hi again
There is this death
Esther Day Cuming
b 1882
d 1892 Mar quarter
Stoke Damerel
I have looked on original and I think the age of Esther when passing is 80 and not 8... maybe Kris can check for me ..... 
In 1891 Esther D Cuming (87) is still living with her daughter Hannah Scott and her son-in-law in Stoke Damerel. She is a widow 
here is William Bennett Cuming's death:
Dec quarter 1886
Stoke Damerel
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Now Esther did have a brother who did stay in Padstow when not at sea. (Sailor, mariner) at childrens baptisms. In 1841 we find children Margeritta, Esther, Edward and Eliza (WILSON) in Padstow no parents. In 1851 mother Margaret is there with some children (WILLSON) 1861 WILLSON Hubby is home now "shipowner". So the DAY and CUMMINS families were involved in same business. Maybe another son Henry also a mariner = Mary Carter  Will look for baptisms later
For Cornwall Census Free Online see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
Peter Day WILSON b Padstow 8 Jan 1802 Parents George and Martha WILSON
also see a double baptism I should throw in here before I go on with Peter
John Day WILSON born 30 Mar 1799 and baptised 11 Aug 1800
George WILSON born 1 July 1800 and baptised 11 Aug 1800 (Parents George and Martha - so looks like Esther's baptism is the only one to list mother as Polly)
Peter Day WILSON OTP Bachelor = Margaretta Christian KUNZE 16 Nov 1824 by Banns Padstow both signed. Witnesses Christain Kunze and Wm E ?
2 burials I spotted by accident in 1839 may be important. Margaretta is German so wouldn't think the name would be too common in Cornwall
KUNZE Catrina Margaretta 7 Apr 1839 aged 80
KUNZE Christian 30 Apr 1839 aged 76
Now Christian is a female name in Cornwall but these people are German so I would think Male.
Cheers Kris
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Now to continue. There are apparently 3 buried together, with a monument
KUNZE Margaretta 4 Apr 1839 aged 81
KUNZE Christian 28 Apr 1839 aged 76
KUNZE Christian 29 Aug 1841 aged 48
(These are death dates taken from the inscription)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cornwallpics/padstow/pages/Christain%20Kunze%20Grave.htm
Cristian the son is a "patient seaman" in Kenwyn in 1841 aged 49
NOTE: 1871 Peter Day WILSON is now in Charles Devon
RG10/2115 Folio 78 Page 44
1 Prospect Street
Charles
Devon
WILSON Peter Day Head 69 b Padstow Ship Owner
WILSON Margaretta C Wife 70 b Hamburg Germany
WILSON Caroline dau 35 Unm b Padstow
WILSON Eliza Dau 30 Unm b Padstow
Interesting sister Esther is also in Charles in 1871 Here is the ref for the entry Deb provided
RG10/2115 Folio 14 Page 22
3 Gascoyne Place
Charles
and here is Peter now widowed in 1881
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mx/
Cheers Kris
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A few nice little mentions in The West Briton Advertiser
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad/
Sep 3 1841
At Padstow, after a lingering illness, Mr. Christian KUNZE, aged 18 years.
appears the age here is incorrect From the Parish Register
KUNZE Christian buried 1 Sep 1841 aged 48 years of Padstow Cause of Death Cancer in Stomach
12 Apr 1850
At Padstow, on Tuesday last, Mr H.J. HAM of Plymouth, to Miss M.C. WILSON, eldest daughter of Capt P. WILSON, of the former place.
Friday 13 Dec 1850
At Padstow, on Tuesday last, Capt. Edwin KNIGHT, of the schooner "Pascoe," to Miss Esther WILSON, both of that place.
Oh look the ship named after his daughters
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad/cornwall/1836/misc/apr.html
Best Wishes........Kris
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KRIS....
you are FAB!!!!! How wonderful that you found all the info , especially the article regarding the sloop named after his girls .....wish you could find all my family stuff ,,,,
here's a pat on the back for you KRIS ummmmm no pat on the back smilies.... how about couple kisses 
I am sure Coonwarra is going to kiss you too
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Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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Thanks Deb,
You are real sweetie, I enjoy the hunt.
Kris
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OK I found 6 Baptisms to Peter Day WILSON and Margaretta at Padstow
WILSON Margaretta Christiana 13 Sep 1825 Father Mariner of Padstow
WILSON Ester Martha 5 Apr 1827 Father Seaman of Padstow
WILSON Edward Day 13 Jan 1831 Father Mariner of Padstow
WILSON Henry 3 Jun 1833 Father Sailor of Padstow
WILSON Caroline 25 Nov 1835 Father Sailor of Padstow
WILSON Eliza 1 May 1838 Father Mariner of Padstow
That should keep you buzy
Cheers Kris
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Just found your thread through a message sent from Kris. This is all such fabulous info. Our branch of the family descends through Esther Day Wilson's brother Peter Day Wilson. His son Henry (3 Jun 1833) was also a Master Mariner/Shipowner and married Mary Carter (chr 26 Aug 1834) who was the daughter of Thomas Carter, shipwright. They had 8 children (one died as an infant, Mary Alice) and lived in Padstow until they relocated to Essex prior to emigrating to Canada in the 1880's. Their oldest child, Harry Arthur Wilson (born at sea), stayed in England and was a stationer. I've been trying to track the Kunze's back to Altona, Denmark, but it's a little tricky as Altona was essentially a suburb of Hamburg under Danish rule until 1864. Probably why Margaretta lists her birthplace as Hamburg, Germany on census records. I believe the headstone inscription in the Padstow churchyard is for Margaretta Christiana Kunze's parents and brother. Still need to prove that, however. Everything posted so far agrees completely with what I've got in my records, included the identity of the mysterious "Polly."
Anyway, Henry's branch of the family came to Saskatchewan, Canada and homesteaded to spread out over much of the western provinces. Interested to hear how everyone else links up.
Still not sure where George Wilson (Martha Day's husband) came to be in Cornwall. There is a Wilson branch of mariners from Scotland that could link up somehow, but that too needs corroboration. Anxious to hear from anyone else.
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Hi Deb
So happy that Kris gave you this thread! I am sure Coonwarra is going to be ecstatic to have found a family member who has so much info!!
I wonder if someone could figure out your relationship to each other ..... Kris...come on ...figure it out for us
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Hi
Many thanks to Kris & Deb USA for all their hard work here and also to Debco for making contact and supplying so much info. I had no idea that my posting would result in so much detailed information being provided.
My reason for trying to find out more about Esther Day Wilson is because she was the grandmother of Capt Robert Falcon Scott, the famous explorer.
We have an old family story that my gt grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hammond, was related to Scott - possibly a cousin of his mother. When I tried to prove this link I found that nobody appeared to have really traced Scott's ancestry properly and decided to find out what I could.
I had asked in another posting on this site whether anyone is interested in Capt. Scott and whether they could assist me in looking at Mary Elizabeth Hammond's possible link to him. She was born in Dublin in 1868, the daughter of Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton. I have been unable to trace their marriage and as many of the census records appear not to have survived I cannot even say when or where they were born. Obviously this does not make the task any easier!!!
I had hoped that by tackling things in a 'back to front' way i.e. tracing Scott's ancestry that I might stumble my way back to an Irish connection.
So far, however, I have not found any Irish links in Capt Scott's direct lines, although I have heard stories that some of his family did originate there. Scott's wife, Edith Bruce, certainly had Irish ancestry, so I am beginning to wonder whether the connection might in fact lie with her.
Thanks again to all who have helped so far.
Hopefully the mystery will be solved eventually.
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Ireland: Arlour, Arlow, Hammond, Hannah, Shanks
Scotland: Allan, Black, Carlyle, Corkingdale, Fleeting, Grant, Hammond, Hannah, Kirkwood, Lothian, McFarlane, Neilson, Shanks, Sneddon, Wood
Sussex/Hampshire/Surrey/London/Kent: Beagley, Douch, Earl, Ladyman, Pattenden, Peskett, Standen, Stonestreet, Windiate
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oh my
How fab That Hannah Scott nee Cuming had a famous son ... did not realise that when I posted the 1881 census where Esther Day and hubby are living with them
So somehow we have to link up Hammond with Cuming/Scott Familes   
I do so love a mystery....I'm on board...so to speak LOL
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hiya everyone
1901 census:
80 Queen Rd, Chelsea, London
Hannah scott head wid 60 b Plymouth
ROBERT F son S 32 Commander Royal Navy b devon Stoke Damerel
Grace M dau s 30 b Stoke Damerel
and 2 servants...
deb
PS through all of this searching ...I have not seen an Irish link ... or maybe I missed something as I was not looking for it .... 
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Hi debco,
Glad you have joined us. Sorry coonwarra isn't actually connected to you as yet.
Sounds fascinating trying to figure out these Kunze's. Your Photo is clearer than the one I found. I could not read the Altona Denmark on there, sounds like you have learned more about the place and the connection to Hamburg, so that is good news.
Pity you already had all the records I had found so far. I had hoped I may have found some you didn't have. Let me know if you are missing any and I will go through the fiche for you.
Children missing in census etc I am guessing they may have travelled with their father. I didn't find Henry till he was married and had to find the baptism to be sure he was one of Peter's. I suspected he was by his occupation but he had not appeared in a census with his family. I see Henry Arthur's baptism lists a birth date but not that he was born at sea. Going through microfiche is very time consuming and I haven't looked for what became of John Day and George. Do you have them?
An explorer, how fascinating. Would you believe I grew up on stories of another famous explorer and aviator Sir Hubert Wilkins my Grandma's Cousin....... Lies all lies. First I thought he must have been her second cousin when I proved they were not first cousins, but no. Not even from the same counties. Dad knew so much about Sir Hubert, had books on him, told stories about him all the time. He died still believing the stories.
I have just found the other threads where coonwarra has been trying to connect up this explorer, so will add them here so we are not duplicating. Will be interesting to see if this does connect
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237486.msg1286429.html#msg1286429
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238041.0.html
Cheers Kris
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