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banjojimmy
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good evening to you all,
i am a newbie so please bear with me,i am trying to research my fathers side of family,he was William Alfred Bowskill born in 1883 in arlesey.i have had some success and i am now stuck on his great grandfather ,William Bowskill married to Sarah, there eldest son was baptised on the 8th march 1801 at langford,the trouble is i can find no trace of william or sarah before `1801. i have the clifton/ arlesey/ langford parish registers but nothing. any help/ suggestions would be most welcomed.
many thanks banjojimmy
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
This is a tough one! I can't find any trace of them either. But in 1851 Sarah gave her age as 80 and birthplace Langford, so it seems as though they should have married in Langford, even though William might not have been from there. Looking at the PR transcript there's a note in 1801 saying that no marriages were recorded. I wonder if the vicar was less than diligent and didn't write them up?
Have you been through Langford PR for 1771 +/- 2 to see how many Sarah's were baptised?
Also try Bedford Record Office site at http://blars.adlibsoft.com/ to see if there are any useful hits (there are!), although they don't help much in tracking them down
I'll dig around and report back
David
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banjojimmy
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thanks david,
there are ten sarah,s between 1769&1772,they are as follows:
Sarah Parkins
" Kite
" Hine
" Manyweather
" Dilley
" Pearson
" Dilley
" Underwood
" Parkins
" Storton.
david the other odd thing is the register in 1803 records a john&sarah boskill and the baptism of there son william,could the names have been recorded wrong way round?
many thanks jim
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janan
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Hi Jim
Welcome to Rootschat 
As David said this is a very difficult one. I've had a burrow round for you but turned up nothing that would help with your quest. I will continue to ponder the problem.
Jan 
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Hi Jim
I don't think there was a separate John and Sarah - it looks like a parish register error to me. Whether it was William son of William and Sarah, or John son of William and Sarah I'm uncertain of, but I'll try to sort it out this afternoon
David
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many thanks for helpful replys, at least i now it was'nt me missing the obvious?.
by the way david ,i notice in your profile a watts from henlow,my fathers first daughter nin my stepsister married a ralph watts from henlow.
all the best jim
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Hi Jim
Some random thoughts:
His first son was George – possibly his father's name if you believe in naming patterns - I don't unless it suits me!
There are no Bowskill burials in Beds 1761-1804
I think the William in Langford in 1803 really was William, and the PR is in error in naming his father as John – you've doubtless seen the burial on 11 March 1803 which has the same details.
William Bowskill, labourer, of Arlesey, purchased property in Arlesey for £115-10-0 on 1 Nov 1804. (where did a labourer get that sort of money from?). So he moved from Langford to Arlesey 1803/4.
His eldest son and heir George Bowskill sold the property for £170 on 28 Feb 1833, William Bowskill being deceased. Can't see a burial though.
At 30ish Sarah was fairly old for it to have been her first marriage. I wonder if it might have been a second marriage for both. Begs the question as to where it took place, as just about all of Beds pre 1812 is on the IGI.
OK, panic over!
On a whim had a look in Samuel Whitbread's Notebooks (he was the local magistrate) and struck gold - found the following entry dated Monday 23 January 1814
“William Bowskill, Arlesey; born at Eaton in Notts; went to serve Geo. Mason Esq as stubb boy at 14 years for 5 years at Eaton; thence to W.Mason, esq, Worksop 8 years; thence to Mrs Sutton at Worksop, likewise 2 years; Mr Charles Mellish Blythe Notts 4 years as coachman; married at Blythe his first wife; thence to ------ with Lord Galloway not quite a year; then with Mr Harvey, Ickwell (Beds) not quite a year; thence to Col. Payne, Tempsford (Beds) not a year; there married his 2nd wife; has freehold at Arlesey. Belongs there”
It seems as though this was a settlement examination to determine his parish of settlement.
Totting up his years of service working back from 1801 gives a birth of c1765. The IGI has a baptism in Eaton on 25 March 1764 son of Thomas and Abigail Bowskil. His only daughter was Abigail baptised 1809..............(but he didn't name a son Thomas, so I'm in a dilemma - obviously the naming pattern doesn't apply for his sons but I firmly believe in it for his daughter!). But seriously it does look as though these may be his parents.
So where's the marriage in Tempsford? I cannot see it or anything that looks like it. Very strange. It's going to bug me now. Hope someone can find it to put me out of my misery
regards
David
PS Jane Watts b 1847 in Henlow was my g grandmother. Just spoken to my mother who recalls the name Ralph, but she "can't place him" (we used to live in Henlow). She thinks he was older than her (she's 87). But if he was from the Henlow Watts family then he would have been connected
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Another whim - Tempsford is close to Hunts so checked Hunts Marriage Index. Bingo again!
1800 at St Neots. William Bowskill of Tempsford, widower and Sarah Lincoln
I shall drink my pint or 3 tonight quite happily now!
I'll worry about who Sarah Lincoln was in the morning
David
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As there was property involved it would be advisable to check with BLARS to see if William left a will
David
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WOW,WOW,WOW.
I just cant believe it,i feel like i,ve won the lottery?. David many many thanks,my brothers will be over the moon. I will be having a pint myself tonight if your in mid beds i would by you a few;once again many thanks to you all jim. p.s. i will keep you updated on my search i,m sure there are many more probs ahead.also if anyone wants lookups i have clifton /langford and arlesey parish registers,also lots of snippets from local papers from 1890-1920, maily bowskill,prutton dear families of arlesey.if you want a picture of ralph let me know.
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WOW indeed David. I had got as far as considering Notts as birthplace for William it being a Bowskill stronghold but no further.
Cheers David and Jim
Jan
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david/jan
i have the burial for william 29 nov 1824 age 62.
now all i have to do is find sarah lincoln would that have been her previous married name or maiden name ?.
kind regards jim
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Hi Jim,
I've found the burial now, as Boskill.
As Hunts marriage Index gave William as widower and makes no such addition to Sarah I think the assumption must be that she was a spinster. Equally as William was "of Tempsford" Sarah was resident at the time of St Neots
But I can't find a suitable baptism for her - the closest is a birth in 1768 at Biggleswade Baptist, parents William and Ann. There are Lincoln burials in Langford, one of which is William aged 70 on 21 July 1813, which might be the same William, or it might not.
The fact that there are no Lincoln baptisms in Langford might point to them being non conformist and a stroll from Langford to Biggleswade on a Sunday to go to the Baptist church would have been no distance at all - at Southill Baptist Church the members came from miles away each Sunday. It might be worth getting hold of the Baptist entry to see if there is any further detail eg " of Langford"
There's no marriage of William and Ann in Beds, although there is one in Hunts in 1762, but that's one assumption too many at the moment!
Regards
David
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hi david,
my brother was really shocked with the news i gave him ,over a couple of good ol charles wells beer,again many thanks.i have come upon a baptism in the langford parish reg for a susnh father william,mother mary on nov 24 1776 aged two years in margin.could this poss be a error in transcription?
susnh
sarah
what do you think? best regards jim
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Hi Jim
No, I don't it's a transcription error. The transcriptions were done by comparing the parish register against the Bishops Transcripts and any discrepancies were noted. It's possible the vicar got it wrong and entered Susannah instead of Sarah. But in any event there's a burial of Susannah Linkon in Langford in 1799, daughter of William and Mary, so I think she's a red herring.
But William and Mary were baptising children in Langford between 1764 and 1782 so Sarah would fit in very neatly in 1770ish. But why wasn't she baptised like the rest of her family? Perhaps she was just missed - after all Susannah was 2 when she was baptised, and there's a big gap between John baptised in 1768 and Susannah born 1774.
You're probably never going to be able to prove it, unless William Lincoln left a will - my ag labs never did, but it's worth checking with BLARS - but given
- that Sarah gave Langford as her birthplace in 1851
- that they appear to have moved there after their marriage in St Neots
- that there was just one Lincoln family in Langford having children at the right time
I think that on the balance of probabilities Sarah is the daughter of William and Mary.
You could also check the marriage entry in St Neots to see if there's a clue from the witnesses.
Glad your brother was pleased. I'd rather drink water....!
Regards
David
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