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smallman in Hereford
« on: Monday 12 February 07 21:06 GMT (UK) »

Hello
Can anyone help please.
Trying to find the parents of a James Smallman b <1847> Upton Bishop, married to Ann in the 1881 census. He is a blacksmith in 1876 (Littleburys Gazetteer)
Also found in a Hereford Gazetteer William Smallman also blacksmith in 1876 at Crow Hill, Upton Bishop & a John Smallman boot and shoemaker, Crow Hill could these all be brothers or parents?

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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Mike,

Welcome to Rootschat  Cool

1861
RG9/1812 79 23
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Crow Hill

William Smallman, head, 48, Cordwinder, b. Upton bishop
Elizabeth, wife, 48, Boot binder, b. Gloucestershire Mitcheldean
Mariann, dau, 20, House Servant, b. Upton Bishop
James, son, 15, Cordwinder, b. do.
Edwin A, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Martha U, dau, 3, b. do.
George, grandson, 1, b. Glostershire Abinhall

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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:23 GMT (UK) »

1871
RG10/2685 78 22
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Blacksmith Shop Crowhill

William Smallman, head, 36, Blacksmith Master, b. Gloucester Dean Forest
Matilda, wife, 35, b. Worcester St Johns
James, brother, unm, 25, Journeyman Blacksmith, b. Hereford Upton Bishop
Samuel Wilks, serv, 18, Apprentice Blacksmith, b. Hereford Weston under (something)
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:28 GMT (UK) »

Back in 1851, William senior's wife is Charlotte:
HO107/1976 82 8
Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
Crowhill Village

William Smallman, head, 38, Cordwinder, b. Upton Bishop
Charlotte, wife, 32?, b. Mitchel Dean Gloster
Eliza, dau, 14, b. Servent? Glostershire
John, son, 12, scholar, b. East Dean Glostershire
Maryanna?, dau, 10?, scholar, b. Upton Bishop
Lydia, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
James, son, 5, b. do.
Catherine, dau, 1, b. do.
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:31 GMT (UK) »

Hi,
1851 HO107/1976 F82 p8

Crowhill  Upton Bishop

William Smallman Head M 38  Cordwainer   b Upton Bishop
Charlotte   "         Wife  M 39                       b Mitchel Deare Glos
Marge Anna "        dau      16                       b ?    Glos
Eliza             "        dau       14                     b East Dean   Glos
John             "         son       12                    b Upton Bishop
Lydia           "          dau       7                              "
James         "            son      5                             "
Catherine    "           dau       1                            "

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Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts                                                                                                                                                   
 Moxham:  Monkton Farleigh, Wilts 

Morey,Sindall,Crane,Morrison,Jenner,Magrath,Barrell,
Field,Sanderson,Slade:All, LondonArea

Sexton,Cork,Ireland
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:35 GMT (UK) »


Not sure about the ages I took what had been transcribed but Tati could well be correct.

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Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts                                                                                                                                                   
 Moxham:  Monkton Farleigh, Wilts 

Morey,Sindall,Crane,Morrison,Jenner,Magrath,Barrell,
Field,Sanderson,Slade:All, LondonArea

Sexton,Cork,Ireland
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:39 GMT (UK) »

Hi Geoff  Cheesy  Cheesy

Looks like Charlotte was in fact Elizabeth  Huh   Tongue In which case 39 in 1851 would be correct for her  Cheesy (Wasn't too sure when I looked at the image anyway)  Smiley

1841
HO107/421/21 4 3
Upton Bishop
John Smalman, 70, Shoe Maker, not born in county
Mary, 60, not born in county
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William, 25, Shoe Maker
Elizabeth, 25, not born in county
William, 6
Eliza, 4
John, 2
Mary Ann, 4 months


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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 February 07 21:51 GMT (UK) »


Hi Mike and hello Tati,

There is a birth of Mary Ann Smallman      Ross 26  14  March 1841

So she would have been 10 in 1851.
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Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts                                                                                                                                                   
 Moxham:  Monkton Farleigh, Wilts 

Morey,Sindall,Crane,Morrison,Jenner,Magrath,Barrell,
Field,Sanderson,Slade:All, LondonArea

Sexton,Cork,Ireland
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 February 07 22:17 GMT (UK) »

Hello Tati & Geoffp

Great info, will now study this.

Many Thanks to Both.

Mike
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 12:49 GMT (UK) »


James married Ann Cox in July 1874 at Upton Bishop
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 12:57 GMT (UK) »


John Smallman . shoemaker, married Mary Wood in Upton Bishop in November 1801
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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 18:33 GMT (UK) »

ebn

Thanks for info, will work on that.

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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #12 on: Friday 01 June 07 09:15 BST (UK) »

Hi Mike,

The James Smallman b c1847 you were interested in was the brother of my great great grandfather. I have quite a bit on this family now...it's a HUGE tree! Smiley

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Re: smallman in Hereford
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 June 07 20:05 BST (UK) »

Beverley B

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Can't look at my tree at this moment in time.

Will catch up with you as soon as possible. Smiley Smiley

Cheers Mike.
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