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King Frederik 5
« on: Tuesday 12 June 07 17:59 BST (UK) »

Hi, while I am obviously part English by blood, I am also a direct relative of King Frederik 5 on Norway Denmark.
      As I underrstand it one of their daughters, Lousie I belive, became a consort of a person who would be in the English Royal line.
      First of all is this true.  And secondly why did the Europeans intermarry so much?
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 18:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Waralan,

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And secondly why did the Europeans intermarry so much?

presumably you mean European royalty ??

That is an easy question:  Power !!

I'm sure conquest, whether by armies or by marriage beds caused the size of many lands to increase  Grin
And many royal marriages were simply political alliances, whether the marriage partners wanted to or not. 
(If they happened to love each other, that was just an added bonus)

By making alliances with other royal families, each family was strengthening their own position by binding potential allies for future conflicts.

It's possible that a bit of "keeping up with the Joneses" was also there:
"We only consort with the likes of Us, and never with Our inferiors"
which means, unless you consider incest, you run out of suitable marriage partners pretty quick.

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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 18:14 BST (UK) »

Yes, Bob, but did the Scandianavians ever get a claim to the Britiash royal line.
      In other works did they sneek under the fence?
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 18:46 BST (UK) »

Try searching the internet  Smiley Smiley

so far I've found this
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A strong Saga figure and role model aligned to this guy is the Viking or Moring Gange-Rolf - or Rollon - ancestor of the British royalty and so on downwards. They say he was so huge that a viking pony could not carry him. He seemed to have impressed the then French king to give him Normandy and maybe wed his daughter.
http://oaks.nvg.org/lg4ra3.html

then there is wikipedia

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Rollon was the chief- the “jarl”- of the Viking population. After 911, he was the count of Rouen. His successors gained the title Duke of Normandy from Richard II.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Normandy

Rollon, or
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Rollo (c. 860 - c. 932) was the founder and first ruler of the Viking principality in what soon became known as Normandy. He is also in some sources known as Robert of Normandy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo_of_Normandy

And I'm sure there alliances and marriages for many more centuries.

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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 18:56 BST (UK) »

Thanks Bob for your speedy answer.  I guess things didn't change from the exanples you gave to the Frederik 5 era.
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 19:28 BST (UK) »

Edward V11 married Princess Alexander of Denmark

Isn't the Queen of Spain a Danish princess?

They all married one another and were nearly all related to one another anyway.

I believe Queen Victoria's children all either married into another royal family or they were sent to be kings of other countries even the tzar of Russia.

Keep it in the family, thats what they said.

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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 19:38 BST (UK) »

Bob, From my study of English history--quite a while ago, I learned that William the Conquror crossed over into England and defeated the troops led by King Harold.
     Is there a blood relationship between William and Queen Elizabeth?  Also has there been one throughout the years.
      I know that King Frederik 5 married the daughter of George 2.
       Of course, I won't claim George 3 in my line.
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 19:39 BST (UK) »

why did the Europeans intermarry so much?

They weren't going to marry commoners! After a few generations, they were all inter-related. Some rather too close for comfort - hence the problems with the Russian royal family.

Mind you, if you see some of the commoners that the English royal family has married in recent times, you wonder if they were not right in the past...  Wink

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 21:39 BST (UK) »

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Isn't the Queen of Spain a Danish princess?

No, I think she's Greek.  The ex Queen of Greece is the Danish princess.  But then the current Greek royal family were originally from Denmark back in the 19th century.

There are probably several blood relationships between William the Conqueror and Queen Elizabeth, but I think he is something like her 26th gt grandfather.

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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 21:53 BST (UK) »

According to Wikipedia Frederick V's  only connection to the (current) British royal Family was through his first wife Louise who was the daughter of George II and although he had a number of children there are none listed as marrying into or becoming a consort to any member of the UK lot ..... although what went on behind closed doors isn't always known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_V_of_Denmark
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:29 BST (UK) »

I beg your pardon, but one child Louise Caroline became a consorsort to the family which would be a forerunner of your concurent royaly family.
       After George 2, did the royal succession follow a blood line?
       
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:34 BST (UK) »

Also, while I can't prounce it, and it would take half a page to write, there was some marrying off in the German nation.
     I have a relative which I haven't been able to find. His name is Friedrich Wihelm von Destinon.
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:39 BST (UK) »

Yes it did.

Frederick V of Denmark is actually the 5 x gt grandfather of the present Queen.

Frederick's SON Frederick (by his second wife, not George II's daughter) had three children.  His daughter Louise Charlotte married William of Hesse-Cassel ( a German prince).  Their daughter Louise of Hesse Cassell was the mother of Princess Alexandra of Denmark who married Edward VII.  This Louise was also the mother of Dagmar who married Tsar Alexander III of Russia (and was the mother of Tsar Nicolas II, )and the mother of the first Oldenburg King of Greece.

Louise daughter of Frederick V married Charles of Hesse Cassel (sound familiar?).  Their daughter Louise Caroline married Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein and was the mother of King Christian IX of Denmark, husband of Louise of Hesse Cassell above.

Someone did say that they intermarried!

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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:47 BST (UK) »

Excuse my spelling , but Louise Caroline became the consort of a duke of Soholistine Hesse Gluckiburg which was the forerunner of your royal family.
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:49 BST (UK) »

However, I wonder, once you get to George 2 do all the monarch later folllow a blood line?
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