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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 22:53 BST (UK) »

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Louise Caroline became the consort of a duke of Soholistine Hesse Gluckiburg which was the forerunner of your royal family.

Friedrich Wilhelm, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg = Same chap!!!!

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once you get to George 2 do all the monarch later folllow a blood line?

Yes.

George II succeeded by his grandson George III (son of his eldest son Frederick Prince of Wales).
George II succeeded by eldest son George IV.
George IV succeeded by his brother William IV.
William IV succeeded by his niece Victoria, daughter of his brother Edward Duke of Kent.
Victoria succeeded by her son Edward VII
Edward VII succeeded by second son George V.
George V succeeded by eldest son Edward VIII who abdicated in favour of his brother George VI.
George VI succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth II.

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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 23:06 BST (UK) »

Nell, I won't tell anyone here I am distantly related to George 3.  I wouldn't be too popular.
     However, what about the earlier monarchs; did the follow a blood line.
     I will, however, exclude Lady Grey whom I am told lost her head.
     What about the blood line from Elizabeth 1 and Elizabeth 2?
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 23:20 BST (UK) »

Elizabeth I never married and had no children.  She was succeeded by her first cousin twice removed James VI of Scotland, James I of England.  Elizabeth's father was Henry VIII, his elder sister Margaret Tudor married James IV of Scotland, their son was James V who died soon after the birth of his only child Mary Queen of Scots.  Mary married her first cousin Henry Lord Darnley ( his mother was a daughter of  Margaret Tudor by her second marriage) and their only child was James.

Elizabeth I and Elizabeth II are apparently fourth cousins, thirteen times removed.

It is possible to follow the blood line from William the Conqueror to the present queen.  In fact it is possible to follow a blood line from kings before William the Conqueror to the present queen, since William was related to them too!

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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 23:26 BST (UK) »

As a post-script, the biggest apparent "jump" in the monarchy occurs in 1714 when George I came to the throne.  He was the gt grandson of James VI & I through James' daughter Elizabeth, who became Queen of Bohemia and was known as the Winter Queen.  However, a blood line was followed.  There was no Salic law here.

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 23:46 BST (UK) »

Hi, while I am obviously part English by blood, I am also a direct relative of King Frederik 5 on Norway Denmark.
      As I understand it one of their daughters, Lousie I believe, became a consort of a person who would be in the English Royal line.
      First of all is this true.  And secondly why did the Europeans intermarry so much?
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Hi Waralan
Take a look at this link

http://www.warholm.nu/Kingdan.html

List of Kings Norway-Denmark etc: from  899 to 1766
Scroll well down for Frederik V., note they are all not in alphabetical order due to King and Queens.

Intermarrying was an attempt to achieve political stability, but was not always successful, as was shown in many of the later Scandinavian Russian and European conflicts. There were also some inherited traits of illnesses created by close blood relationships.

Hope this link helps, Frederik V full details of BDM and successors.

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 12 June 07 23:58 BST (UK) »

Raphael, would you happen to know about a man nammed Friedrich Wilhelm von Destinon?
      To all thanks for your help.
       When my grandfather, Edward Rutter, emigrated here, Queen Victoria was in power.
       The questions I have raised are in part about my mathernal grandmother.
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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 02:11 BST (UK) »

Raphael, would you happen to know about a man nammed Friedrich Wilhelm von Destinon?
      To all thanks for your help.
       When my grandfather, Edward Rutter, emigrated here, Queen Victoria was in power.
       The questions I have raised are in part about my mathernal grandmother.
Hi Waralan,
You say Edward Rutter  emigrated in Victorias Reign which was in the 1800's
Friedrich Wilhelm von Destinon died 1822 as listed below.

Descendants of Christian V, King of Denmark+Norway (1646-1699) gen 4+5 ...
Friedrich Wilhelm von Destinon 9 Friederika Katharina Hansen Born 1748 Died 2 May 1822 Married 16 June 1764.
See this link
worldroots.com/foundation/royal/christian5denmarkdesc1646-2.htm

I was only passing through, and saw your post, and it is not part of my research.
I noted some links in German, and got these links from there.

I hope this helps
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Raphael UK & Germany  ( Try putting detail in Google there are many related sites there) Take care.
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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 03:44 BST (UK) »

Yes, my grandfather came he in 1884.  On his naturalization papers here I noticed Queen Victoria was in power.
       As for Mr. von Destinon, I have tried to use all search engines, but have come up dry.
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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 17:56 BST (UK) »

Little Nell, Please excuse my lack of rememberance of basic English/American history.
      Now I remember we have 2 states named Virginia, because she was a virgin Queen.
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Re: King Frederik 5
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 05 July 07 02:46 BST (UK) »

Hi I am aware this may be a little out of place on this board, but I will ask it anyway.
     Bear in mind I am part English, hence the English last name of Rutter.
     However I am also part Scandianvian, hence my relation to King Frederik 5.
     Having said that maybe someone on this board has something to help me out.
      King Frederik sired 5 children by his mistress, Else Hansen.  One of them became the forerunner of the other side.
     One of them, Fredrieka Margaretha af Hansen must have changed her name to Elise/Else Fredriksdatter.  Am I right in making the connection.
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 05 July 07 10:45 BST (UK) »

Elise Fredriksdatter would follow the ancient Scandinavian pattern of naming (still found today in Iceland) as far as I know, but I always thought that the 'datter' bit should follow the mother's name. If dad was king, quite understandable to break with convention (if that is what she did).

Off on a slight tangent here, in Czech, women take their husband's names. addng 'ova' at the end. Hence Emil Zatopek's wife was Zatopekova. Makes for some interesting names these days with people moving to Czech and marrying the local women. You can imagine MacDonaldova and other hideous concoctions
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« Reply #26 on: Monday 09 July 07 22:19 BST (UK) »

Nick, Thanks, but I am still trying to find which one is the forerunner of that side of the family.
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