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Ninian
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Can anyone help me to find my family. I have them all in 1861 and onwards but I just can't find any of them before the 61 Census.
Here they are in 1861:
1861 - Abbingdon Street, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire, England - RG9/2981/85/15
Elijah TURNER H 48 M Millwright Cheshire, Cheadle
Anna TURNER W 48 M Millwright wife Cheshire, Cheadle
Thomas TURNER S 18 U Millwright (Apprentice) Staffordshire, Anley(?)
Fredrick TURNER S 12 Scholar Cheshire, Cheadle
John A TURNER S 8 Scholar Lancashire, Ashton
Mary A TURNER D 6 Scholar Lancashire, Ashton
and the eldest son James also in 1861:
1861 Census - Stamford Street, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire, England - RG9/2981/49/8
James TURNER H 25 M Millwright Cheadle, Cheshire
Harriet TURNER W 25 M - Dukinfield, Cheshire
Tom TURNER S 1 U - AUL, Lancs
........ but I can't find a trace of any of them before this. I'd be grateful for any advice on where they might be or how else I could trace them
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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allibaker
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this looks like youngest daughter-
mary ann turner born 5th april 1855 bapt 20th dec 1874 ashton under lyne,parents elijah turner and ann.
this could be a possibility for parents marriage -
elijah turner married ann arden 3rd sept 1832 st wilfreds northen cheshire
regards
alli
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i see son frederick was a frederick william.
frederick william turner married ann bennett 9th oct 1870 st micheals ashton under lyne.grooms father elijah turner and brides father james bennett.grooms age 21yrs and brides age 19yrs
hope this helps?
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alli
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here is other son john arthur.
john arthur turner married mary maria sidebottom 11th oct 1874 st micheals ashton under lyne.grroms father elijah turner and brides father james sidebottom.brides age 20yrs and grooms age 21yrs
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alli
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Ninian
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Alli
Oh wow - this is good. Thank you very much.
I'd got them all on the censuses from 1861 onwards but I hadn't got any birth or marriage info on them. It looks as if the records from St Michael's might well have other info on the Turners. How can I get hold of these records? I s'pose it would have to be a trip to a Records Office? - which one? There might even be a record of some of their baptisms before 1861 and possibly even Elijah's marriage.
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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mosiefish
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Hi,
I notice that Thomas was born in Staffordshire so this could be them.
1841 Census:
All the family were not born in County
Clough Street, Shelton, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Elijah Turner, 25, Millwright J,
Ann, 25,
James, 5
Harriet Elizth, 1
If they were in Ashton under Lyne on the 1851 they may well be on the part that was water damaged. Some of this has now been reclaimed so perhaps a specific look up for them may have more success.
Regards,
Mo
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Ninian
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Oh yes , well done. It's definately them. I'd never have found them.
How would I find out if they are on the reclaimed part of the Ashton 51 census? Also any advice on how I could get the St Michael's records would be very gratefully received.
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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mosiefish
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Hi Ninian,
I would personally start a new look up request on the Lancashire board and include either "unfilmed" or "water damaged" Ashton Under Lyne 1851 etc. in the title.
Good Luck,
Regards,
Mo
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Ninian
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Hi Mo
Thanks for that - will do.
P.S. I really would never have found him - Ancestry have mistranscribed him as Elizah even though it clearly says Elijah on the census return. So I couldn't find him for ages even when you'd provided me with the info!!
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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Ninian
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Alli and Mo
Many thanks, both.
I've now fitted all your info into my database - it all fits really well. All the dates fit really well with my census stuff so it's moved me on really well.
I hadn't noticed, Alli that you had found Elijah's marriage - I'm sure it's him, so thanks especially for that.
Ninian
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Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd); Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire); Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire); Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)
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well done mo i couldnt find them for love nor money 