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1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« on: Wednesday 13 June 07 10:16 UTC (UK) »

I wishing to find Charles Lycurgus Jocelyn (B) 1855 abt. Marylebone/Paddington I have him on the 1881 age 26yrs.baker at 6 Bevington Rd. Mdx. RG/11/0038/56/52 on 1891 at Courtnell St. Paddington RG/12/11/79/31 age 36 Bread Baker on 1901 at 29 Swinbrook Rd. Kensington RG/13/29/81/17
I have tried BMD for his (B) NO luck. Do have his (M) 1873 to Ellen Eliza Baker
Thank you, Moors

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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 11:00 UTC (UK) »

The trouble with being a Joscelyn/Josselin/Jocelyn is the various ways of mis-spelling it!

1871
47 MORNINGTON CRESCENT, PANCRAS, LONDON, MIDDX
GEORGE HENRY                 HEAD 42  BAKER                               SCOTLAND
SARAH        "                     WIFE  38                                           NORFOLK
ELLEN        "                     DAUR  17                                          ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
LOUISA       "                        "     15                                                  "
GEORGE JAMES "                SON  11                                                  "
GEORGE HENDERSON      SERV    25  SERV: BAKER                    LONDON, MIDDX
CHARLES JOSLYN               "        18  SERV: BAKER                    LONDON, MIDDX
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SARAH RIGNALL            HEAD  49                                              LONDON, MIDDX
JANE         "                  DAUR   26 ACTRESS                                      "
JAMES       "                   SON    23  ACTOR                                        "
SUSAN      "                  DAUR   21  ACTRESS                                     "
STANLEY BULLOCK    VISITOR  26  JEWELLER                           BATH, SOMERSET
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 11:06 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Bryant for your reply I did not relise there are so many ways of spellin Jocelyn, perhaps thats why I cannot find his (B).
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 11:16 UTC (UK) »

And.............Charles isn't his first name!

JOHN CHARLES LYCURGUS JOSLING..........born Marylebone registration district.... Dec qtr ..........1852

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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 11:25 UTC (UK) »

1861
ST MARYLEBONE PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS, MARKET TOWN OF SOUTHALL, PRECINCT OF NORWOOD, MIDDLESEX

CHARLES JOSLYN  8  PUPIL   ST MARYLEBONE, MIDDX
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 June 07 13:05 UTC (UK) »

There were actually TWO Joslyns at that school in 1861 - Charles, and possible older brother William, 11.

1851 census, HO 107/1479, 128/21
St. John the Evangelist, Westminster
31 Vine Street
Sarah Barefoot, widow, 42, nurse b. Woodstock Oxford
Sevinia, dau, 9, scholar b. St. Pancras
Martha Jocelyn, 6, nurse child, scholar, b. Richmond
William, 2, nurse child, b. Richmond
Mary, 6weeks, nurse child, b. Surrey We?? Lying In Hospital.  (Actually might be West(minster) Lying In Hospital and the dittoed 'Surrey' is a mistake).

A Mary Louisa Sprynge Josling was registered Mar 1851 quarter in Lambeth - a  slightly odd middle name there, but I thought it might go well with Lyrcurgus!
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 June 07 09:03 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for the replies.
As Charles was a pupil at school on 1861 census does this mean this was a boarding school? and I am wondering why he would be there can you give me any suggestions please.
Know wonder I could not find his (B) date.

Was Sarah Barefoot looking after the children because of what reason? can you give me any idea?

Thank you both for the info. you sent. Ann
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 June 07 09:24 UTC (UK) »

Bryant, Is it possible for you to send me the rest of the family on the 1871 census at 47 Mornington Crescent. including where Charles Jostyn 18 a serv. baker was (B)
Thank you Ann
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 June 07 10:26 UTC (UK) »

A 'nurse child' is sort of like a foster child today.  The youngest child, Mary, was also born in a lying-in hospital, which were maternity hospitals intended to care for (depending on the hospital somewhat) single women or the wives of poor tradesmen/soldiers/sailors etc.  It's possible that Sarah worked at the hospital as a nurse.

Also I suspect the parochial school would have also have been a charitable institution.  So it appears that their parents weren't able to take care of them for whatever reason - complications in childbirth were common so the mother was probably ill at this time and the father away (soldier, sailor, etc.) or unable (working long hours, no relatives who could or would watch the children while he was at work).

Hopefully once you have Charles' birth certificate we'll be able to find his parents on the censuses.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 June 07 14:19 UTC (UK) »

The trouble with being a Joscelyn/Josselin/Jocelyn is the various ways of mis-spelling it!

1871
47 MORNINGTON CRESCENT, PANCRAS, LONDON, MIDDX
GEORGE HENRY HEAD 42  BAKER SCOTLAND
SARAH " WIFE 38 NORFOLK
ELLEN " DAUR 17 ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
LOUISA " " 15 "
GEORGE JAMES " SON 11 "
GEORGE HENDERSON SERV 25 SERV: BAKER LONDON, MIDDX
CHARLES JOSLYN  " 18  SERV: BAKER           LONDON, MIDDX
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SARAH RIGNALL HEAD 49 LONDON, MIDDX
JANE " DAUR 26 ACTRESS "
JAMES " SON 23 ACTOR "
SUSAN " DAUR 21 ACTRESS "
STANLEY BULLOCK VISITOR 26 JEWELLER BATH, SOMERSET
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 June 07 09:17 UTC (UK) »

Bryant thank you for reply, I obviously got muddled as I thought that Charles Joslyn living at 47 Mornington Cres. was part of the family but now relise that George Henry.........is not his Father, you did not put his surname. Ann
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 June 07 11:38 UTC (UK) »

I said that he was living with George Henry who was a baker and his family... you thought George Henry were christian names and not his christian name & surname.............I now think you think his surname is Head  Undecided  because of the way the detail transposed......

I didn't think that Mr Henry & his family would be of any interest but as you asked for them...................... Smiley

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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 19 June 07 09:16 UTC (UK) »

Silly old me took surname Henry as a first name. A senior moment is my excuse. Moors
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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn completed
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 January 09 14:24 UTC (UK) »

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Re: 1861 & 1871 census Charles Jocelyn
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 13 September 09 06:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi, 

I wonder if you have got any further with your investigations on the Jocelyn Family?  I, too, am researching this family, and have become stuck on this generation.
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