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Topic: 1851/1861 Census Lookup Request: Beach *COMPLETED* (Read 167 times)
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Isca
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Hi All,
I'm researching into the history of my family, the Beach family, and am having some real trouble at the 1841 period (my current tree is available here: Beach Family UK Genealogy).
Background
I am now happy as far back as John Beach (Born 1841, Died 1895). But at this point it gets very difficult to trace back further. I have John's marriage certificate which suggests his father was a tailor, and was also called John....but family rumours have suggested a family fallout between these two that was never resolved and hence family letters talk of this father as being "a Yorkshire Biscuit Maker", and not giving him a name at all...which is what leads me to be looking at Yorkshire. Family letters also mention that John Beach of 1841 had one "real sister" (so presumably step-sisters too?)...her name is mentioned as being Helen...and often referred to as "Aunt Ellen" by John's children.
The Request
So after all that background, I'm hopng someone maybe able to help me that has access to the 1851 or 1861 census. The free search on Ancestry returns a Helen Beach born in Yorkshire (and 1901CensusOnline.com shows this as Scarborough, Filey) who was born in 1845...so 4 years younger than the John Beach I know of.
It's a bit of a long shot, but I'm hoping indexes of the census might enable someone to trace the over members of the household this Helen Beach was in during the census of 1851 and/or 1861.
I'm aware (again through family rumour), that John Beach is meant to have left home at a very young age...so I'm expecting he may not appear in the household...but if Helen's father appears to be the biscuit maker, or tailor called John Beach...it would suggest that she maybe my John Beach's sister...and hence will warrant research into the parents of Helen to see if they are the next line back from the John Beach (1841) that I have got stuck on!
Ideally I would like the names and ages (and any other details available) of others in the household with Helen Beach (in Scarborough, Filey) on the 1851 and/or 1861 Census.
Any help would be hugely appreciated.
Regards,
James
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Hi James,
It would appear that Helen Beach b.c1845 Scarborough is the Daughter of Edward and Esther (Swift), but I will post the details anyway...
1861
7 Quay Street, Scarborough St Thomas
Edward Beach, Head, 38, General Labourer, Hackness?
Esther Beach, Wife, 36
Helen Beach, Daughter, 16
Esther Beach, Daughter, 11, Scholar
George Beach, Son, 8, Scholar
Samuel Beach, Son, 5, Scholar
All others born Scarborough
RG09/3619 F 99 P 21
Regards, Emma 
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1851
12 St Thomas Hosp, Scarborough
Elizabeth Swift, Head, W, 83, Pauper, Folkton
Edward Beach, Son in Law, 41, Bricklayers Labourer, Hackness?
Easter Beach, Daughter, 40, Water Carrier
Sarah Beach, Daughter, 13, Servant not in place
Elizabeth Beach, Daughter, 9, Scholar
Helen Beach, Daughter, 6
Easter Beach, Daughter, 1
All others born Scarborough
HO107/2368 F 151 P 45
Regards, Emma
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Isca
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Emma,
Many thanks indeed for that, hugely appreciated.
Sadly it doesn't look like this Helen aligns to my family. This leads me to really wonder whether the letter I have that suggests John Beach (1841) came from Yorkshire is actually true!
Thanks for closing one potential distraction...there's nothing worse than heading down the wrong lines for a while!
If you have a chance...assuming you have a well indexed Census....could you possibly see if you can trace John Beach himself? As I said before, I believe he left to work at sea from a young age, but I've never managed to track him down prior to his marriage in 1863, and hence not his parents.
The details I have on John are:
John Beach
Born: 6th October 1841
Died 24th July 1895
Married to Anne Boulton
I'd love to find him in 1851/1861 when he may have been living with his parents. His marriage certificate says his father was another John Beach, a tailor....though family letters say his father was a Yorkshire Biscuit Maker, but gives no name!
Any clues would be hugely appreciated.
Many thanks once again for your search into Helen Beach.
Regards,
James
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jools2153
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If you know his date and place of birth, what does his BC give for mother's maiden name? I can see she's on the 1871 as Lizzie Beach age 48 married, born Kings Lynn
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Isca
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Hi Jools,
Unfortunately I don't know the birth place for sure as I have seen conflicting locations from different sources. One of the birth places (taken from a later census (1891 I seem to remember)) was Kings Lynn, so your mention of Kings Lynn is interesting.
As you say, if I can get the BC for John, that will give a bit more information.
Thanks for your help...the name Lizzie is news to me, and I had wondered if she'd be an Elizabeth, as he named his first daughter Elizabeth Ann (Ann being his wife).
I'll see if I can lock this down enough from what you've given me to get John's Birth Certificate.
Many thanks indeed....
James
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jools2153
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So how do you know
John Beach
Born: 6th October 1841
I'd assumed (silly me) that you had the cert, but if you didn't even know his mother called herself Lizzie, how much census checking have you done?
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Isca
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 Got the date of birth from family records, the year of which has been confirmed (along with the date of death) from his gravestone.
I've not done much census searches, my only access to which has been through FreeCen and Ancestry etc... I'm quite impressed with the kind of results Emma and yourself have, so I believe I may need to look at getting a subscription at Ancestry, or one of the other searchable sites.
Many thanks for your help....
James
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Hi and welcome James
I have found Ancestry to be invaluable since I started FH, and have a full UK subscription, other people use other sites, so till you spend your hard earned cash, feel free to ask for census look up's, you will find we all enjoy the chase 
Jane
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LEICESTERSHIRE & MIDDLESBROUGH - BOLLANDS, GORE, LINCOLNSHIRE - BAKEWELL, MARRIOTT MONAGHAN & CRAMLINGTON - RICE LAZENBY - HANSOM, HARRISON, NODDINGS, EASBY BARNBY DUN - HARVEY, BLANCHARD DANBY & WHITBY - JEFFELS LIVERPOOL - GANDER SKELTON & ESTON - SEATON BEDALE & MIDDLESBROUGH - STEPHENSON BROUGHTON - HARRISON MIDDLESBROUGH - WARD,FOSTER PINCHINTHORPE - POSTGATE BILSDALE- BOYES Cenusu informations is from crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uK |
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Hi James,
This is the transcription on the information Jools found:
1871
Princes Street, St Mary, Dover, Kent
John Beach, Head, 29, Cork Manufacturer, King's Lynn
Ann Beach, Wife, 31, Spring Field Newcastle Lyme
John Beach, Son, 5, Uttoxeter
Charley A Beach, Son, 2, Dover
Lizzie Ann Beach, Daughter, 7, Uttoxeter
Grace Ellen Beach, Daughter, 3, Dover
Lizzie Beach, Mother, Mar, 48, King's Lynn
RG10/1009 F 16 P 25
Regards, Emma
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No matter how hard I try, I just cannot find mother Lizzie BEACH on a census before or after 1871.
I'm wondering 1) did she ever marry a Mr Beech; 2] was Beech her second marriage and the elusive 1841 born John was born with a different surname.
I got to thinking about why Lizzie was with the family in 1871. If you look at the ages on the children on the 1871 and the 1881, there's a chance she was there in 1871 because Ann nee Boulton was about to give birth again (and there's a gap in the chldren about that time on the 1881). FreeBMD has the birth AMJ 1871 dover 2a/842 of a Florence Attmore BEACH and a death for the same child AMJ 1871 dover 2a/511.
IF (and it's a big if) this is one of John & Ann's children (which you'll only know for sure if you buy the cert) - where has the Attmore come from as it implies to me it's a family surname used as a middle name? Was Lizzie an Attmore at some stage in her life?
Jools
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Isca
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Wow, that's absolutely fantastic...thank you so much to you all!
I'm down in Devon with my family this week, so the progress has been visible to them, and its excellent to see their faces to each of your responses!
Thanks Jane for the positive notes on Ancestry...its not the cheapest site to join, but I've always assumed they offer a good service, and it sounds like they do! I'll start saving the pennies in a jar!
Emma, thank you so much for your help on this one...are you getting this information from Ancestry.co.uk yourself? I'm very impressed with the results you're coming back with, so I'd be interested in being able to do the same myself, rather than bother you with the lookups!
Thank you all once again for your help, it's hugely hugely appreciated!!
Regards,
James
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Hi James (and family!),
We are all here to do look ups, so it is no bother at all, but I understand that you'd want to do it yourself!
Ancestry, when you break it down, is great value for money. One thing I would say is that the transcription isn't always the best - I'm not at all sure who transcribed the original images, but there are quite a few errors with some obvious (to us) names. So, you have to sometimes think a bit laterally when doing searches.
And I second Jools in that I can't find Lizzie/Elizabeth Beach either!!
Regards, Emma
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