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Could someone please look up the 1841 census for Horton Park, Barham.
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Is this in relation to your Henry Graham MONTAGU Helenna - have you found another clue to his origins?
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Thankyou for reply and yes, I have just been in contact with another of my unknown relatives, also after Henry's origins ,and it seems that Henry had cousins by the name of Tassell living at Horton Park, nr Barham. This is the first time we have been given the name of any other relatives and of course has to be followed up. I have found them on the 1881 census. John Tassell then being a retired farmer his daughter was named Lilla and one of Henry's children was named Lilla after her. The address on the census is Little Bridge Place, Bridge, Kent. His beginnings are a mystery to us all and of course we want to know. It seems we have all been brought up on the story of him coming from wealthy background. I know this can be a story that lots of people come up with. Believe me it has to have some truth in it. Do wonder if he was illegitimate.
Once again many thanks for your interest believe me its some story.
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Hello Helenna
Not an easy family to track as their name gets horribly mistranscribed.
The family is at Horton Park, Monks Horton in 1851 - I am still trying to find John in 1841.
On a later census I noticed that John and his wife Eliza have a son Montagu Henry Tassell registered in 1859. I mention this as the name is similar to the one mentioned by Casalguidi.
Will have another search for John in 1841 and get back to you.
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Sorry Helenna but I cannot identify John in 1841.
I think he was already married. Free BMD has this
Marriages Dec 1838
CHAMPION Harriet Elham 5 269
EVENDEN William Elham 5 269
STOKES Eliza Elham 5 269
TASKELL John Elham 5 269
Young Susan Elham 5 269
I checked the marriage on the full indexes and on the Kent Registration site and the name there is John Tassell.
Strange that their first child was not born until 1843.
Family search has a submitted entry for John Tassell born about 1811 which may be correct as the death date of 1902 looks right. (see http://www.familysearch.org/). The Free BMD entry is as follows
Deaths Sep 1902
Tassell John 91 Bridge 2a 473
The 1851 census entry is as follows - sorry but the image is very poor and hard to read
Horton Park, Monks Horton
John Tassell Head Mar 40 Farmer 394? acres employing labour?b Kent Wye
Eliza Wife Mar 37 b Kent Hythe
Lilla Dau 8 b Kent Monks Norton
Eliza Dau 6 b Kent Monks Norton
Theodore Son 3 b Kent Monks Norton
James Son 9 months b Kent Monks Norton
Susanna Mount Servant 16 House Servant b Kent Newington
An interesting point is that family search indicates that John's father was James Tassell and his mother Mary Cook - John's son Theodore had the middle name of Cook.
Not sure whether this is going to help you at all.
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Thankyou so much for the results you have posted to me. This all looks so promising.
Have just been given the information that Henry Grahame Montagu had cousins by the name of Tassell at Horton Park -somewhere nr Barham- Is Horton Park @ Monks Norton? Sorry am not familiar with this area.How could I find the maiden name of Eliza Tassell?? As it could be her family that are connected to Henry.
That was interesting the name of child registered in 1859. Couldnt be my Henry as he served in the Crimean,but most definately could be a relative.Have also been told that Henry attended Bishops Grammer School, would you know if the records of the pupils still exist? Also the letter stated that Henry was born 1832-1835. So many contradictions as this doesnt correspond with the date of his birth he puts on all documents, 1839.
I would be most grateful for any other information you may find.
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Hi Helenna
Horton Park is at Monks Horton (note the H) - the latter a small rural village (next to Stowting) in Kent. Monks Horton is about 9 miles from Barham (passing through the villages of Lyminge and Elham). See the following for the 1901 census returns of Monks Horton:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/shrubsole/census_returns_for_the_parish_of_monks_horton.htm
The only sure way to confirm the maiden name of John TASSELL's wife would be to purchase a birth certificate for one of their children. However, it does look likely that they are the John TASSELL and Eliza STOKES who married at Hythe http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/home.html (the ref. is that for marriages at Hythe parish church). There are films of the Hythe marriage registers at Hythe Library but they don't have a printer for their reader or at least they didn't the last time I was there http://kent.gov.uk/LibrariespublicUI/
STOKES is a well known "Hythe" name.
Bishop's Grammar School - any idea where that would be?
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Many thanks for the information you have sent me. So much appreciated. I will also look up the sites you have sent.
I understand that Bishops Grammer School was in Canterbury?
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Hello Helenna
I think casalguidi has answered most of your queries. Sorry about the typing error on Monk's Horton 
Can I just confirm that what you are trying to do is link your Henry Grahame Montague b c 1832-35 or even 1839 to this Tassell family?
What other information do you have on Henry?
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Hello Barbara,
Many thanks for the information re Horton Park etc. Yes I am trying to find a link to Henry Grahame Montagu, he was my grandfather and neither myself or any other member of this large family have been able to find his birth certificate or details of his parents. He states on all certificates that he was born 1839 Bridge Nr Canterbury and his father was Charles. Up until now we have not heard of any relatives, hence the interest in the Tassells.
The other information is that he was the son of someone connected to the Royals.  ?? This has come from another member of my Grans family , the person in question being nearly 100 and remembers going to see my gran as a child and being told that the father of 2 of the children with my gran was connected to the Royals.
Wonder if we could perhaps find a child living with perhaps the Tassells in 1841?
HGM ended up as Cheif Sanitary Inspector for Bath in the 1800s. Had to be educated then to get that position.
Once again many thanks for your help.
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Hello again Helenna
I have been looking at your Henry Graham Montague and it is weird that in the censuses he can be found 1861-1901 but not before. Also there does not seem to be a birth registration for him - if he was born in 1839.
When I checked the 1851 census for a Henry (any surname) b Bridge 1839 +/- 1 year all I got was a Henry Whitnell, a pauper in the workhouse. He was there in 1841 too with 2 other Whitnalls, most likely mother and sister. There is a baptism for the sister on the IGi and she is illegitimate. Wider wildcard searches have not thrown him up either.
Could he have been illegitimate do you think, and reinvented himself?
I will see if I can find anything on the school.
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It may be nothing but perhaps I'd better mention it, an 1847 directory lists one of the main owners of land in Monks Horton as a Col. Henry MONTAGUE.
Helenna, do you know the full names of all Henry's children ie. is there anything else unusual apart from Lilla?
I'm no expert on Canterbury schools but have never heard of Bishops. Kings was/is the school in Canterbury but I really wouldn't like to speculate  http://www.kings-school.co.uk/
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I have not had much luck with the school - I keep coming back to The King's School. However this website seems to suggest that it may have been known as the Archbishop's school
http://www.hillside.co.uk/tour/d94.html
In 1851 I have found a 50 year old Henry Graham Montague in London witha young wife (29) called Lily and children ranging from 8 to 10 months. His occupation is very detailed but almost illegible. I think it says Professor of .... Physiology .... the ref is HO107 1486 f 726 if anyone else would like to have a look.
I will see if I can find him in later censuses - I can't see him in 1841.
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