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annelsie
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Royal Oak Elton
« on: Thursday 14 June 07 14:22 UTC (UK) »
Does anyone have any knowledge of the Royal Oak at Elton I believe John and Lydia Goodwin were associated with it during 1840s. Any information on the pub or them greatly appreciated.Thanks
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 June 07 17:20 UTC (UK) »
Hello,

I've just looked in 2 1850's Huntingdon directories online & for Elton vilage it has Crown & Black Horse inns, but no Royal Oak. One lists a John Goodwin & a Robert Goodwin, both carpenters, as found on 1851 census - but no address.

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
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Partridge - North Beds;  Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 June 07 17:52 UTC (UK) »
In 1851
Ho107/1746 folio 559B
Elton
John Goodwin head married 64 Carpenter b Elton
Lydia Goodwin wife 65 b Thurlby Lincs

No house/street details are mentioned in 1851, but there is an innkeeper James Shawcross 41 b Boston Lincs, wife Martha 57 b Framlingham Suffolk, with daughter Martha Godwin 14 b Elton; John Godwin son 12 b Elton; Mary Hawks 12 visitor b Wardley Bucks; William Godwin marr 32 visitor b Aston Cheshire

1841 Elton is missing from Ancestry but I found it on a CDrom
HO107/452/06
William Godwin 52 Innkeeper
Martha Godwin 42
William Godwin 15
Ann Godwin 13
James Godwin 11
Martha Godwin 5
Mary Godwin 9

All born in Hunts bar Martha senior

Again no indication of whether the inn was the Royal Oak. But as this was the only innkeeper in Elton and given the Godwin name it seems reasonable to assume that it was.

Also
John Goodwin 48 Carpenter b in Hunts
Lydia Goodwin 50 Not b in Hunts
Matilda Goodwin 20 dressmaker b in Hunts

Confusingly there were both Goodwins and Godwins in Elton.

Could something have got lost in translation?

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David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 June 07 18:03 UTC (UK) »
Just found the following on A2A

QUARTER SESSIONS BOXED PAPERS - date: 1815 ref.  HCP/1/6/34  nt] Miscellanes: Information laid by two Elton constables, John Bale and Thomas Giddings against Charles Chalbourne for making a disturbance in the "brown" public house (kept by John Godwin) and threatening the informants with a gun. Settled

QUARTER SESSIONS BOXED PAPERS - ref.  HCP/1/15  - date: March 1831 Deposition: By Susannah Barton, widow, Elton, charging James Atkins, John Chadbon, Andrew Hospital and William Drake with following her from the "Royal Oak", Elton, tying her in a chair, breaking open a linen chest and stealing clothes and bed clothes. John Eayre, constable of Elton, Lydia Goodwin wife of the publican of the "Royal Oak", Elizabeth and Mary Chadbon, Elizabeth Merlow also deposed.

date: Sept 1831
Conviction: William Goodwin of the "Crown" public house, Elton, victualler, fined £5 (mitigated to £2.10.0. for first offence) and 10/- costs for allowing Henry Gaskell, Thomas Barr and Daniel Parish to tipple on his premises on Sunday afternoon during Church hours.

Perhaps they were the publicans a bit earlier than you had thought. It seems as though there were two inns in 1831, the Royal Oak, and the Crown. Which one was brown I cannot say! Or was it an error brown/Crown?

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 June 07 19:38 UTC (UK) »
In 1854 Hunts gazetteer, the innkeeper of the 'Crown' was named as  James Shaw; whilst in the 1854 Post Office directory he is James Shawcross. Thomhas Staplee is innkeeper of 'Black Horse'. Again in 1862 Dir of Beds & Hunts, in Elton there is only the Crown & Black Horse. Could the Royal Oak be in next village ? or Fletton
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Partridge - North Beds;  Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 June 07 20:44 UTC (UK) »
Or might it have closed down altogether, given that John Goodwin was a carpenter in 1841/51?

I wonder if Huntingdon Records Office has details of licence applications
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 June 07 16:20 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks for all this information. the information I had was a copy of a letter addressed to John Goodwin at the Royal Oak in 1839- looks like it may have closed dowm between then and 1841 - I shall have to visit the Huntingdon REcord Office - thanks again for your help.
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Re: Royal Oak Elton
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 September 08 18:14 UTC (UK) »
I'm new to this and started researching my family tree and have found a William Godwin 1825/6 - 1892 who married Elizabeth Shield and he was supposed to be an Inkeeper in Duck Street Elton. Don't know what the pub was called but there is a pub on Duck Sreet now and that is called the Crown Inn name could have changed. His father was a William also though have very little info on him as yet. William Jr's Daughter Fanny married a John Hart and I only have it by word of mouth but its said they also ran the pub.
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