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Question: Annie Louisa Herschell - how do I find more
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Herschell family
« on: Saturday 21 January 06 19:56 GMT (UK) »

I have the birth cert. of Annie Louisa Herschell , born in 1886. Her father was Alexander Herschell and her Mother Mary Herschell , ( nee Reilly. ) Annie was born in Birkenhead County of Chester. I have tried for weeks with no sucsess to find either birth or marriage records for Alexander and Mary , but no sucsess. Ive been on the Scotland site too. We think they could have been either travellers or gypsies. Would that explain the difficulty and how would I get any records if this was so. ?
                             Can anybody help me !
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 January 06 22:18 GMT (UK) »

Have you found them on the 1891 census yet?  That would give you both parents ages and birth places - at least a rough idea, allowing for lies and subterfuge of course.  I think this should be your first line of enquiry.

Herschell is a German name in origin. 

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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 January 06 17:18 GMT (UK) »

I have found some herschells on this census but can't tell if they're the right ones.
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 January 06 15:45 GMT (UK) »

There are some 'Herschel' families b. Scotland on 1901, including what looks like an Alexander and Mary with several children (no Annie though).  What was Alexander's occupation in 1886?

There's also an Annie Hershall, b. Birkenhead, aged 17, in Broughton, Lancaster in 1901.  Age slightly off, but a possible? No other Hershalls in the region.
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 January 06 22:55 GMT (UK) »

Hello there,

I have found an Alexander Herschell and a Mary Henshaw's marriage on the Cheshire BMD board in 1891-95. Did Annie's mum die and dad remarry?

Try http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ 

There are a few with that surname- maybe if you try different spellings you might find more  Cheesy

Good luck,

Carol
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 January 06 23:00 GMT (UK) »

I'm presuming you have the family in 1881 in York?

RG11 / 4837 folio 60 page 21.

Both Alexander and Mary and the older kids are born in Scotland,so my bet is that they were married there too. Prob around 1870-71.

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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 January 06 20:26 GMT (UK) »

Yes , I found Annie in a home for destitute women in Broughton. I also found the Herschell family in York .with the eldest children born in all different parts of Scotland , but minus Annie . Not sure whether they are the ones though . Alexander's ccupation on Annie's birth cert. is construction labourer.
     If by any chance they were gypsies or travellers , where would I go from here ? Be grateful for any help at all.
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 January 06 20:31 GMT (UK) »

Annie wasn't born till 1886,so won't be on the 1881 census of course!
Do you have a marriage cert for her? If so who are the witnesses,and what other info does it have on it?

Do the names in the 1881 York census ring any bells in the names she gave her kids?

Carol
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Rogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas
Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire
Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset
Jenner,Clapham Surrey
Kendrick,Liverpool
Wensley,Somerset

Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland
Blake and Maloney from  Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 January 06 20:49 GMT (UK) »

1891 census RG 12 3081 folio 29
13 Sparling Street Latchford  Lancashire   
Hesschell, Alexander 45 Scotland Head  Married Labourer
Hesschell, Maggie 14 Yorkshire, Daughter  Housekeeper
Hesschell, Isabella 11 Yorkshire, Daughter 
Hesschell, Annie 4 Birkenhead, Cheshire,  Daughter 
Hesschell, John 2 Warrington, Lancashire,  Son   

The surname is spelt that way on the census return.

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Valda

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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 January 06 22:30 GMT (UK) »

Well done Valda  Grin

Have you tried asking for an 1871 look up in Scotland- maybe Aberdeen,as that's where daughter Margaret was born c 1871/2

Here they are in 1881,but I'm surprised by their address,a hut?
They seem to have a servant.Very odd  Huh

Alexander HERSCHELL Head  33 Montrose, Scotland  Contract Horsekeeper     
Mary HERSCHELL   Wife     26   Linligoth, Scotland       
Margaret HERSCHELL   Dau   9   Aberdeen, Scotland       
Alexander HERSCHELL  Son    7   Dundee, Scotland   
Mary HERSCHELL   Dau        5   Sunderland, Durham,     
Marjery HERSCHELL   Dau    4   Sunderland, Durham,       
Isabella HERSCHELL   Dau   1   Kettleness, York,     
Dinah TAYLOR   Serv   Unm  20   Runswick, York,     

Hut On Railway ? Lythe, York,

RG11 /4837  folio 60 page  21

Hope this helps.

Carol
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Rogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas
Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire
Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset
Jenner,Clapham Surrey
Kendrick,Liverpool
Wensley,Somerset

Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland
Blake and Maloney from  Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 January 06 19:48 GMT (UK) »

thanks valda the 1891 census entry you found looks the most promising . its the only record i have that mentions annie herself . now i have found her on the 1901 census as an inmate in a home for destitute women in broughton cheshire . have you any suggestions how i could find out more ?
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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 January 06 20:58 GMT (UK) »

Broughton is I believe in Lancashire so you could try the Lancashire Record Office

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/index.asp

to see whether they or any other record office may have records for the home Annie was residing in, in 1901.

Though I can't see a baptism for Alexander on the IGI there is a possibility for his wife Mary.

MARY REILLY 
Birth:  01 MAR 1855   Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Father:  JOHN REILLY  Mother:  MARGARET RHINDS 

Montrose parish registers I believe are held by Angus Archives

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ANS/Archives/ancoun01.html

I would also check for Alexander in Scotland on the 1871 census as Carol suggested (bearing in mind there was another Alexander Herschell (who was a draper's assistant) also born in Scotland circa 1846 and any previous censuses he can be found.

I can't see Alexander on the 1901 census. Had he returned to Scotland?

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Re: Herschell family
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 23 June 07 19:26 BST (UK) »


   Thanks a lot for the info. To get a 1871 Scotland look up, do I need to go on another site eg. Scotlands people ?

                                    Hilary
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