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SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« on: Friday 15 June 07 12:26 BST (UK) »
Hi im trying to trace the family of my great grandfather Charles Sidney Smith. He was born 26 sept 1906 in Grantham Lincolnshire and died her in Lince in 1999. His parents were John William Smith and a Maria Johnson  ( they did get married and were at the time of his birth).
I have tried to fond them on the census as a couple with no luck or it could maybe a case of looking to hard and missing the obvious!  I havw asked family members but they know nothing about the mother just the name of his father and thats it soits a dead end from here really. If anyone could help me with this search i would be very greatful!  The info stated above is from his birth cert that i had ordered.
Many thanks in advace Heather  Smiley
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 June 07 12:31 BST (UK) »
You say they were married - have you worked back from his birth looking for the marriage ?

The Marriage Cert could reveal John William's fathers name - and more opportunity to search the census years ....

What occupation did John William give on Charles' Birth Cert ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 June 07 12:35 BST (UK) »
His occupation was a Brick layers labourer.
No i had not thought of the marriage searching i will try to do this now must be having a vague day not to think about that search!
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 June 07 12:39 BST (UK) »
I also know that my G grandad was not the first or last born of all their children.
There other children were Robert, Annie, Jim, Sam, Elsie, Ronald but i have no D.O.B for these as yet.
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 June 07 12:54 BST (UK) »
A possible ..... not too many familiar names tho ... but John W IS a Brickies Labourer

1901 - RG13/3055; Folio: 94; Page: 25 - Spittlegate Within; Grantham North
64, Innes/r Street
 
John W Smith 34  Head Bricklayers Labourer Norfolk, Dorking (Prob Docking)
Maria Smith 33  Wife Lincs Grantham
John W Smith 9 son do
Ernest Smith 7    son do
Samuel Smith 4  son do
Rose L Smith 1 dau do

Harry Wormall 14  Boarder
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:00 BST (UK) »
Marriages Dec 1890   
 
Carlton  Annie   
Johnson  Jane     
Johnson  Maria      Grantham  Vol 7a Page 935   
Powdrill  Job   
Smith  John      Grantham  Vol 7a Page 935
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:04 BST (UK) »
THATS GREAT YOU HAVE FOUND HIM MY GGRANDAD WAS BORN AT 64 INNER STREET GRANTHAM!!   Cant you tell im a learner!!
Thank you so so much
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:09 BST (UK) »
1891 - RG12/2585; Folio 84; Page 19 - Spittlegate, Grantham
49, Inner Street
 
John Smitt [sic - altho obviously SmitH] 24  Head Gen Lab Norfolk (Dry?) Docking
Maria Smitt 22  Wife
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:14 BST (UK) »
Maria with her parents in 1881

RG11/3233; Folio: 14; Page: 21 - Spittlegate
12, Portland Place
 
John Johnson 40  Head Painter Lincs, Marston
Caroline Johnson 34  Lincs, Grantham
Sarah A. Johnson 13  dau do
Maria Johnson 11  dau do
John Johnson 9  son do
Henry Johnson 7  son do
Mary E. Johnson  3 mons dau do   
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you i was just looking at the 1891 census for them!
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Newfy on Friday 15 June 07 13:09 BST (UK)
1891 - RG12/2585; Folio 84; Page 19 - Spittlegate, Grantham
49, Inner Street
 
John Smitt [sic] 24  Head Gen Lab Norfolk Dry Docking
Maria Smitt 22  Wife


Nice one Newfy! ... John was a General Laborer ... but what was Maria Huh
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:18 BST (UK) »
John Smith in 1881

RG11/3211; Folio: 31; Page: 18 - Holbeach
High Street
 

Samuel Smith 67  Head Bricklayer Norfolk, Houghton
Susan Smith 71  Wife Norfolk, Bircham

John Smith 13  Grandson Gen Lab Norfolk, Docking
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #12 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff - I left that !!  Undecided

Suspect something to do with Basket making ? Reed ~~~~~ - is that a local cottage industry perhaps ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #13 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:26 BST (UK) »
1871 reveals the bigger Smith family - but you need to draw your own conclusions about John's parents ....
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RG10/3331; Folio: 78; Page: 20 - Holbeach
Guilders Yard

Samuel Smith 59  Head Labourer Norfolk, Houghton
Susan Smith 62  Wife Great Bircham

Hannah Smith 24  dau Norfolk, Ringstead ?
Catharine Smith 19  dau do
John Smith 5  SON Docking
Samuel Smith 2  son do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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Re: SMITH!!! Help needed the name says it all!!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 15 June 07 13:28 BST (UK) »
Regarding the occupation, I have posted here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238667.msg1291209.html#msg1291209
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