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Topic: West Dean and Ruardean 1871 Census (Read 333 times)
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pritch19
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Hi all
Would some kind soul please enlighten this simple valley boy to the whereabouts of West Dean and Ruardean in the 1871 census.
They are both in Gloucester in the 1881 and 1891, but 1871 they are proving very elusive. After an earlier post regarding the 1851 census Darcy kindly informed me Ruardean could be found in the Hereford census. Is this still the case with the 71? If so, in which civil parish will I find it?
Similarily, where is West Dean hiding, and where do I find it?
Amy K asks in an earlier post today "LOST IN GLOUCESTERSHIRE?" You bet I am, getting more confused by the day 
Desperate for guidance, put me out of my misery 
Thanks in advance
pritch19 
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PaulineJ
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Try resorting to the catalogue at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
RG 10/2686 Civil Parish, Township or Place: Ruardean (Glos) 1871
RG 10/1123 Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean: Chilgrove 1871
RG 10/1205 Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean (pt Wilts) (pt) (Divided between RG 10/1948 & 1205) 1871
RG 10/1948 Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean (pt) (Divided between RG 10/1948 & 1205): East Grimstead 1871
RG 10/5298 Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean (Glos) (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2596-2601 & 5298-5300) 1871
RG 10/5299 Registration Sub-District 1B Coleford Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean (Glos) (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2596-2601 & 5298-5300) 1871
RG 10/5300 Civil Parish, Township or Place: West Dean (Glos) (pt) (Divided between RG 10/2596-2601 & 5298-5300) 1871
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright ====================================== Brown 1800 Dover -> Woolwich (Kent) Barnett 1800 Isleworth -> Woolwich Pannifer 1830 Suffolk -> Deptford Kent Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875) Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875) Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall http://www.freecycle.org/display.php?region=United%20Kingdom |
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Hackstaple
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Ruardean is under East Dean through Newnham to Westbury-on-Severn. I have never had to look up anybody at West Dean in the 1871 but I had a try and could not find it described anywhere under Newnham or Dean Forest.
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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pritch19
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Hi Pauline
Thank you so much for you reply. The info you supplied makes things a lot clerarer. Appreciate your help.
Thanks again
best wishes
pritch
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pritch19
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Hi Hackstaple
Many thanks to you also. You were dead right, I found Ruardean through Newnham to Westbury-on Severn. My area of interest in West Dean is Upper Lydbrook. Still looking.
regards
pritch
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Roger Griffiths
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I don't know with precision, what the boundary changes were in the 19th Century, but hopefully what follows will be helpful.
Not all of England was divided up into Parishes. The parts that were not were known as 'Extra Parochials'. The reason was lack of population that did not warrant a Parish and a church. The Forest of Dean was one such. Actually, the population was sufficient by 1800 but the organization lagged behind. The Parishes that existed before were Newnham, Westbury, Bream, Newland, Coleford etc. People who lived in FoD had to use these, whatever was closest. My family were no exception. They used Westbury and Newland despite living quite a way away. Parkend was established in 1822 and others followed later. The main one being St. Johns, Cinderford, 1845 I think. In the Census Returns, people were giving their place of birth as East or West Dean long after the organization had been superceded. Somewhere, I have the list of places that counted as East or West Dean, goodness knows where it is now.
Roger
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Griffiths Forest of Dean 19th Century
Griffiths Mitcheltroy, Mon. 18th century
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Roger Griffiths
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From Forest Footsteps Summer 1993, No. 12. Journal of the Royal Forest of Dean FHS, now sadly defunct. 'East Dean...West Dean' by Len Perry. As he explained, some of the place names subsequently became parishes but at one time or another were either East or West Dean.
East Dean - Bilson, Drybrook, Harrow Hill, Littledean Hill, Popes Hill, Steam Mills, Brierley, Horse Lea, Joys Green, Readings, Soudley, Collafield, Lea Bailey, Nailbridge, Ruardean (Hill & Woodside), The Pludds, Dockham, Lydbrook and Ruspidge
West Dean - Berry Hill, Broadwell, Clements End, Ellwood, Hillersland, Little Drybrook, Mile End, Milkwall, Palmers Flat, Pillowell, Sling, Wigpool, Yorkley, Bream, Christchurch, Coalway, Five Acres, Joyford, Mill Hill, Moseley Green, Parkend, Shortstanding, Whitecroft, Worrall Hill and Yorkley Slade. Roger
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Griffiths Forest of Dean 19th Century
Griffiths Mitcheltroy, Mon. 18th century
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pritch19
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Hi Roger
Many thanks for your explanation about the FOD parishes in the 19th century. Hardly knowing the area at all, except by referring to maps, I found it increasingly confusing trying to find out which parishes constituted East Dean and West Dean. Your list of the place names connected to each will prove very helpful. At last I am beginning to understand some of the complexities of the area. Many thanks.
Regards
pritch
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pritch19
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Hi
I would just like to thank once again Pauline, Hackstaple and Roger for their help and guidance concerning West Dean and Ruardean.
I've finally accessed the census returns for the area and found the family I was searching for in Lydbrook. With your help i've unravelled the mystery of my great-grandfathers changing christian name. In later census returns he was always listed as Edward and even his marriage certificate stated Edward as his christian name. The 1871 states his correct christian names as John Frederick E., and as I have just received his wife's death certificate and that states that she was the widow of John Frederick, I think I can safely say the puzzle is solved.
As to why he never used John Frederick as his moniker, perhaps I may never know. Then again?
Thanks again 
pritch
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