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Topic: Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands (Read 7314 times)
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Kin-getter
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'Baby on the way'? could be a reason. I'm not sure 15 (is my arithmetic right?) unusual - but maybe that depends on the social standing of the family concerned.
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FRASERBURGH:
MASSIE, MAITLAND, GERRIE, IRONSIDE, MACKIE, MACLEOD;
BAIN, BARRON, BISSET, BOWMAN, CARDNO, CATTO, CHEYNE, CLARK, COWIE, DICKIE, FINLAYSON,
GALL\GALT\GANT, GRAY, HENDERSON, HENDRY, KELLY,
MILLER, MILNE, MITCHELL, NEILSON, PEARSON, RENNIE, RIDDLE, ROSIE, SCOTT, SKENE, STEPHEN, SUMMERS, THIRD, TRAIL, WALLACE;
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And if you want some more Sutherlands - Dunbeath -
here you go: http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/showthread.php?t=2980
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FRASERBURGH:
MASSIE, MAITLAND, GERRIE, IRONSIDE, MACKIE, MACLEOD;
BAIN, BARRON, BISSET, BOWMAN, CARDNO, CATTO, CHEYNE, CLARK, COWIE, DICKIE, FINLAYSON,
GALL\GALT\GANT, GRAY, HENDERSON, HENDRY, KELLY,
MILLER, MILNE, MITCHELL, NEILSON, PEARSON, RENNIE, RIDDLE, ROSIE, SCOTT, SKENE, STEPHEN, SUMMERS, THIRD, TRAIL, WALLACE;
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peterd500
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Margaret SUTHERLAND the wife of Walter GREEN was the daughter of John SUTHERLAND & Isabella SINCLAIR who was the daughter of Robert SINCLAIR & Helen BREMNER.
Robert SINCLAIR was the brother of my gggg-grandfather James SINCLAIR the chamberlain (at Thrumster House). They had plenty of siblings and their father was Donald SINCLAIR the sailor whose father was David SINCLAIR of Broynach whose descendants were controversially passed over for the Earldom of Caithness in 1771 and 1788.
Bets to contact me at
peterd500@yahoo.co.nz
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Peter Sinclair DILLON
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Hi Tricia
Yes I knew you would notice me! 
Actually the information regarding the connection from SINCLAIR to GREEN are in the document I sent you of the letters to the NORTHERN ENSIGN by Thomas SINCLAIR. Ellen GREEN (ie Helen GREEN) was one of his deponents and it was Ellen who spelled out the connection.
Margaret MORE or MACKAY is supposed to have married 21 Oct 1744 to David SINCLAIR the son of David SINCLAIR of Broynach if that is any help. If that date is correct then it implies that for your Margaret to be the same person she would be about 41 at marriage which is getting pretty old to start a family. Then again I proved I wasn't firing blanks when my wife and I had our daughter when we were 41 and 44 respectively!
Peter
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Isabella SINCLAIR & John SUTHERAAND eloped when they married.
The story is in the letters by Thomas SINCLAIR
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This is the relevant section of one of the letters to which I referred.
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NORTHERN ENSIGN - Tuesday 7th July 1891 - page 6, columns a, b
THE BROYNACHS AND THE EARLDOM OF CAITHNESS.
EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLAIM OF JAMES SINCLAIR, MID CLYTH.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN ENSIGN.
[ I chopped out a large section here ]
".....Isabella Green (Mrs George Sinclair), Halkirk, aged 66 upwards, depones that she is a daughter of the deceased Walter Green, Wick, and Margaret Sutherland ; that Margaret Sutherland, her mother, was daughter of Isabella Sinclair, whose father was Robert Sinclair, merchant. Wick, younger brother to James, the chamberlain at Thrumster House ; that the said Robert Sinclair, her great-grandfather, was born in Cairnquoy, a farm on the Thrumster estate, situated near Yarrows; that Robert Sinclair's only son was a soldier and died abroad, and she remembers his gaiters, and a malacca cane with silver top and tassel, and some other things belonging to him, which were sent home to John O' Groats to his sister Isabella (Mrs John Sutherland), by his widow, but that deponent does not know anything about his having a family or not, and that she thinks his name was Robert Sinclair. Depones that his father, Robert Sinclair, merchant and burgess, Wick, was married a second time, and that it was the second wife's son who was drowned at sea, being in the navy. Depones that she remembers her grandmother, Isabella Sinclair, the merchant's daughter, as a fine-looking woman, very proud-spirited, and even in old age and poverty showing the traces of having been well brought up; that Isabella was preparing to go to Edinburgh to be educated when her father died, she being then a young girl, and her higher education was thus stopped ; that the circumstances of her marriage to John Sutherland, Canisbay, were that a large vessel had come ashore at Staxigoe, and the houses of Wick being thrown open to the ship-wrecked, the captain was received by the merchant-burgess, with whose daughter, Isabella Sinclair, he fell in love, and to whom he proposed marriage ; that John Sutherland, her accepted sweetheart, heard of this, and he and his sister immediately journeyed from John O'Groats, contrived to have an interview with Isabella, who by the help of a servant left home a runaway or in elopement that night, and was married in Canisbay quam primum to John Sutherland (landlord afterwards of an inn there); that a John Sutherland, an aged man now in Thurso, is their youngest son; and that deponent was much with her grandmother, Isabella Sinclair, in Canisbay, for whose memory she has great respect, regretting she has not more to tell, when by her opportunities she might have had so much.—June 30th, 1890.
Ellen Green (Mrs Donald Bain), widow, sister of Mrs George Sinclair, Halkirk, and aged 70 upwards, depones that she has lived with her grandfather and grandmother at John O'Groats, John Sutherland and Isabella, the only daughter of Robert Sinclair, merchant-burgess of Wick; and further depones that Robert's shop was on the site in the High Street, now occupied by the offices of the Wick parochial board.
This last item of knowledge has appeared before in one of the Broynach letters to the Northern Ensign when discussing this younger son of Donald the Sailor, Donald being the second and last son of the Hon. David Sinclair of Broynach by his marriage in 1700 to Janet Ewen. The exact text of Robert's burgess-ticket, which is now in the possession of his grandson, Robert Green, Wick, brother of Mrs Donald Bain and Mrs George Sinclair, is as follows, provisions being always a portion of his trading :-—
"At Wick, 31st January, 1777, in presence of James Sinclair of Harpsdale, provost of the burgh of Wick, James Miller and John Russell, baillies thereof, and remanent council of the same. The said day, Robert Sinclair, baker in Wick, was created, received, and admitted burgess and guild-brother of the said burgh, after taking the ordinary oaths thereto belonging, and being solemnly sworn in the common form of burgesses at their admission, with full power to him to haunt, use, and exercise all the liberties and privileges pertaining, or known to pertain, to any burgess or guild-brother in like cases. In witness whereof, these presents are extracted, by advice of above, and signed by the clerk of court, place, date, and year before said. ALEX. RUSSELL, clerk of court." The endorsation of the parchment is " Burgess Act: the Burgh of Wick in favour of Robert Sinclair." By my personal examination of it, through its possessor's politeness, its size is 6 1/4 inches by 3 3/4, written broad-wise. To the middle is attached a dark green silk ribbon, 7 inches by l 1/4, in two folds, at the end of which was the wax seal of Wick burgh. Further details, local evidence, and register records have to be given in this particular section of substantiating the claim of James Sinclair, Mid-Clyth, to be Earl of Caithness.----Yours, &c.,
THOMAS SINCLAIR
Falmouth, July, 1891. "
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, and haven't properly researched John yet.
- too young I guess.