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Topic: Was anything special happening in 1871? Lost person Arthur McKinnis (Read 918 times)
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kiwijulia
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Yes, looked at Isabella's death cert - thanks for that (Still don't know why it didn't turn up in my previous searches, but I did manage to find it once I had your info  )
She died in of suspected heart disease at home at 14 St Peters Street, July 1891 (a few months after the census). Her parents names are given but no county or town name.
I will follow up the other suggestions such as the poor relief record and let you know how i get on.
Isabella's father is a Blacksmith - and I've noted Christopher has posted in the Irish section of Rootschat a link on blacksmiths - say's they are mostly from Cavan. So, who knows - maybe I'll find further evidence.
Thanks for all the great suggestions and help
It makes me smile in wonder at the kindness of stangers helping each other on this site. Really a wonderful thing - thanks again to snowolf - hope you caught your bus.
Julia
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Brooks (Dundee. Scotland)
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Cunningham (Kent and Sussex, England)
Jamieson (Dundee, Scotland)
Low (Perthshire, Scotland)
McKames and McKinnes
McLelland (Wigstownshire, Scotland)(Shropshire, England)
Parks (Sussex, England)
Reeves (Kent and Sussex, England)
Sim (Scotland)
Still (Scotland)
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kiwijulia
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I am confused (again  )
On ancestry I found the 1891 census with the name McKarnes, the same one which Monica found:
Arthur McKarnes 56, warehouseman, b. Camer (?) Ireland
Isabella McKarnes 45, b. Camer, Ireland
Arthur McKarnes 24, lav. driver, b. Dundee
Hennry McKinnis 17, van driver, b. Dundee
Arthur McKinnis 8, grandson, b. Dundee
Address: 14 St Peter St, Liff and Benvie, Angus
I wanted to view the image on SP so I could see for myself what the "Camer" looked like but I can't find it.
I have tried McKarnes, M*c*K, McKinnis and even Arthur, Isabella and Henry combinations.
In the meantime, here are the other images....
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Parks (Sussex, England)
Reeves (Kent and Sussex, England)
Sim (Scotland)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Julia
My money is 100% on Cavan as the birth place!
Don't laugh (or  ) but SP have indexed Arthur and family as MCMANNUS:
1891 MCMANNUS ARTHUR M 56 ST PETER DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/01 015/01 030
I warn you now, the entry is over two pages. Arthur Snr starts 3 from the bottom - sadly this means double units to view the whole household ( 5 x 2). Sometimes happens and a pain when it does - both the mistranscription and when household run over two pages!
Again, I'm fairly confident birth place shows as Cavan for Arthur and Isabella.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Julie Paterson
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Hi Julia,
I have only just caught up on all your postings. My brother was trawling the internet and sent me the link to this posting. I never thought I would find anyone related to the McKinnes, the name changes make it such hard work!
My great grandfather was born Henry Edward McKinnes in 1874 in Dundee. He died as Edward Paterson I think, in Glasgow. Long story there..
Some of the information you have found in the last month I have, some of it especially the census's with wierd spelling I had not!
One thing I think I have you don't is the marrige cert for Isabella Patterson and Arthur McCames in Cavan Ireland.
I got it by email from the family history place.
Parish Church of Ireland Laragh 1st June 1866
Arthur McCames servant of Bailieborough Full Age
father James McCames farmer.
married
Isabella Patterson Brough Larah Parish 19
father George Patterson Tradesman
I would love to trade information with you. As I am new to this newsgroup not sure how to proceed from here.
I live in Melbourne Australia.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Julie
Welcome to RootsChat 
I'm glad you have cleared up the questions marks over whether Arthur and Isabella came from Cavan!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kiwijulia
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So, Co Cavan it is then!
However, just to be difficult....
On Arthur McKinnis's death certificate (15 May 1902, West Poor house, Dundee) it gives his parents names as Arthur McKinnis (Domestic Coachman) and Mary Bell
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On the wedding certificate Julie has from Ireland it gives his dad as James a Farmer - which is quite different from a Domestic Coachman!
On Isabella's death cert (20 Jul 1891 14 St Peter St, Liff and Benvie, Dundee) her parents are given as
George James Patterson and Isabella Fenton.
The plot thickens.... 
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kiwijulia
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Oh just to add a correction -
It wasn't 1st June 1866, but 1856.
I know this for three reasons
1. On the childrens birth certificate it is given as 1856
2. Mary their daughter is born 1858
3. The pm you send me Julie you put it as 1856
jules
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atom12
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in the 1971 census which showed what looked like my family but with a head called Peter.. the occupation is Tenter (Someone who, after cloth was dyed, stretched it on a frame, called a "Tent" for drying) and in the previous census 1861 he is a Dyer Journeyman - so that fits.
If we are referring to Dundee, with its numerous jute mills at that period in it's history, then the occupation of a 'tenter' was a tender of looms. It was a male occupation carried out in the weaving factory. Weavers were grouped into sections, and each section had a tenter who set-up the looms for weaving and did various low-level repairs and replacements to the looms. Therefore, the tenter was responsible for the good running of the loom, so enabling the weavers (mostly women) to produce the cloth to the quality desired.
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Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:
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Julie Paterson
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Thanks atom that is really intersting.
Julie
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