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Jebber
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No, there was no need to produce a birth certificate then, it is only recently that the laws have been tightened. The details on certificates are only as good as the information provided at the time, that is why you should always look for other corroborating information.
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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Jebber
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Just a thought, have you looked for his birth under his mother's maiden name? Even if he was not the eldest, some couples had several children before tying the knot, so if a birth is elusive it is always worth looking under the mother's name.
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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Arranroots
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Hi Netty
Have you already posted a request for this birth?
If not, why not add the details as you know them here? We like a challenge...
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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trish251
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Hi Netty
Apologies if you already have this
On the 1901 Census of England & Wales is the following
RG13/4588 103/38 Yorkshire Thornaby
10 Gladstone Street
Elizabeth Dick head W 71 midwife not certified Durham Baringham
Barbara McGurk daur M 41 charwoman Yorkshire Thornaby
James do gson 12 do do
Fanny Dick g daur S 18 do do
In 1891 this seems to be the only possibility - slightly different birthplace for James
RG12/4049 9/14 Durham Stockton on Tees
Hambletown Yd
Barbara McGurk head M 26 charwoman Yorkshire So Stockton
James do son 2 Durham Stockton
I don't know the Geography of the area so not sure of the change Yorkshire/Durham
It would seem this would be the area to look
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trish251
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There is a birth on FreeBDM that has been mistranscribed
Mar Qtr 1888 James McGurk listed as Preston 8e 486
It is, from the ancestry images (the FreeBDM image is virtually unreadable)
Chester le S. 10a 486
This would be the closest I can get, although doesn't quite match with census data
Trish
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trish251
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Hi Netty - sorry I didn't add any new information 
Just to mention, in 1901 Fanny is the granddaughter of Elizabeth Dick - which would correctly make her the daughter of Barbara  as the relationship to the "head" of the household is shown & they were all living with Elizabeth.
Most of the McGurks I checked came from Lancashire & surrounds. Would it be likely that father James came from that area - son James was born & registered there & then Barbara & son left & went back north?
I'm sorry I don't have any other suggestions - have you ever found the father on a census - he doesn't seem to have spent much time with Barbara??
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JAP
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Refer also (later correspondence on the same family by kaz-ginger):
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=245913.html
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« Last Edit: Monday 23 July 07 17:21 BST (UK) by JAP »
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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dee melody
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Netty,
There's a birth for James McGurk Sept 1890 Newcastle U-Tyne. Vol No:10b Page No 107 Have you discounted this one?
There was a change of boundaries sometime in the last 1800's (I think) between Yorkshire and further north. I think it was called Thornaby-on-Tees. - still a fair distance from each other all the same. Might be worth a try.
Dee
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