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Topic: Marriage James Morgan and Jane ? (Read 149 times)
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angi0
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Hi
wonder if anyone can help with parish records don't even know if im the right place here...
James Morgan 1841 censue aged 26
Jane  aged 30...
They had a daughter aged 7 Looks to be Louisa Hele Morgan she was born Newcastle upon tyne northumberland according to 1851 census..
can anyone help with marriage or baptism details for Louisa and brother edmund who is 9 years old on the 1841 census..
thanks
Angie
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Dave Francis
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Can't see a marriage for James and Jane, but for reference purposes...
1851 Todmorden, Yorkshire
HO 107/2289 folio 394 pp.6-7
Address: Mount Pleasant
James Morgan, head, 36, general bookbinder & ruler, Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
Jane do., wife, 40, Gateshead Durham
Louisa Jane HARLE [or HASLE?]. daur in law, 16, weaver of cotton, Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
Edmund MORGAN, son, 13, throstle [?] watcher in factory, Spalding Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Ann do., daur, 10, scholar, Halifax Yorkshire
Salina Eliza do., daur, 8, scholar, Nottingham
James Mathew do., son, 6, scholar, Nottingham
Ellen Victoria do., daur, 3, Nottingham
It looks like Louisa Jane wasn't James's daughter ("daughter in law" meaning "step-daughter") which suggests that she was illegitimate or that her mother Jane had been previously married and widowed.
It also looks like James and Jane may have been married before civil registration kicked in, possibly in Lincolnshire.
Best bet would be to obtain a copy of one of the younger children's birth certificates. This should record Jane's name prior to her marriage and also her original maiden name.
A reasonable starting place?
James Matthew MORGAN
Dec qtr 1844, Nottingham vol 15 p 579
or possibly
Helen Victoria MORGAN
June qtr 1847, Nottingham vol 15 p 592
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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Dave Francis
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Found this on the IGI...
Louisa Jane HARLE
born <1840><Todmorden, Yorks>
married John Harker UTTLEY <1861> <Todmorden, Yorks>
This is a member submission, so there are no sources quoted and the dates and places are obviously squiffy. An interesting record nonetheless?
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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angi0
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Hi There
thanks so much for that looks like I am going to have to go with the birth certificate..
since posting I located the 1841 and Louisa is on as daughter Louisa (looks like Herle Morgan)
I thought that maybe Jane was a herle and that was why louisa had the middle name..
I will get my neighbour who im doing this tree for to order a certificate so that we can determine who jane was..
Thanks so much for your reply
angie
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Found this on the IGI...
Louisa Jane HARLE
born <1840><Todmorden, Yorks>
married John Harker UTTLEY <1861> <Todmorden, Yorks>
This is a member submission, so there are no sources quoted and the dates and places are obviously squiffy. An interesting record nonetheless?
Now that does look promising as on the 1891 Census Edmund Morgan has a Son named James Harker Morgan B 1881 and John Morgan was his father so that does look like she was indeed born out of wedlock..
thanks again
angie
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For further reference...
1841 St Mary (St Ann) Nottinghamshire
HO 107/870/2 folio 30 page 11
Address: Newcastle Street
Thos BLAND, 25, bookbinder, N
James MORGAN, 26, do., N
Jane MORGAN, 30, N
Louisa Herle MORGAN, 7, N
Edmund MORGAN, 3, N
Eliza MORGAN, 7 months, N
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