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MonicaLesl
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Hi Hilary
Is this Alexander and Mary in 1881:
Alexander Herschell 35, currier, b. Friockheim (spl?), Forfarshire
Mary Ann R Herschell 38, b. Banffshire
Alexander Herschell 6, England
Allan Herschell 4, b. Dundee
Douglas Herschell 1, b, Dundee
Address: 14 Catherine St, Dundee Angus
The only marriage showing in Scotland for an Alexander Herschell and a Mary is Mary Thomson on 08 JUN 1871 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.
Likely the couple in Dundee in 1881 may have married in England given the birth place of eldest born son.
Can I ask, what confirmation have you got that Mary's maiden name was Reilly? I can see one possibility to the couple above's marriage in England but Mary's surname is not Reilly.
If you can let us know if the above couple are the right one(or completely wrong!), we can work from there.
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Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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hume24
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Hi Hilary and Monica,
This is the 1881 entry for the family;
Alexander, head, male, 33, Montrose, Scotland
Mary, wife, female, 26, Linligoth, Scotland
Margaret, daughter, female, 9, Aberdeen, Scotland
Alexander, son, male, 7, Dundee, Scotland
Mary, daughter, female, 5, Sunderland, Durham, England
Marjery, daughter, female, 4, Sunderland, Durham, England
Isabella, daughter, female, 1, Kettleness, York, England
I think this is Alexander's birth;
ALEXANDER HERSHELL REILLY
27th February 1874 Dundee, Angus
Mother: Mary Reilly (no father listed)
so a post-1874 marriage seems likely? Can't see anything that matches for marriages or for Margaret's birth.
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MonicaLesl
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They may not have married at all, or at least not until after some of the children had been born.
Hume, I had just been looking at son Alexander's birth. It's a pity the birth looks to be illegitimate because Scottish birth certs post 1860s normally give the date and place of parents' marriage.
Similarly, like you Hume, cannot see Margaret's birth, daughter showing as born c.1872 in Aberdeen as yet. Not sure what surname she will be under. I've tried Reilly with wild cards (nothing under Herschell).
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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This looks like Mary Reilly's birth entry - an 1855 one hurray!
MARY REILLY Birth: 01 MAR 1855 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents: JOHN REILLY and MARGARET RHINDS
Hilary the first year of official reg. in Scotland and for one year only, the BMD certs ran over two pages of the register and included a wealth of additional info. For births you should be able to get some background on the parents.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi again Monica,
The only birth I can see is MARGARET TANNAHILL, born 19th January 1872 to John Tannahill and Mary Riley. I was hoping that the two might not have been married but there's an 1871 date for them in Old Machar. 
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MonicaLesl
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Hume  ...and therein may lie part of the pieces of the puzzle!
The Mary Reilly who married John Tannahill in August 1871 in Old Marchar looks to be the the Mary born in Linlithgow (parents match). She married young age 16. Mary's family were in Kincardineshire for the 1871 family. There is a large household, I'll list just the Reillys:
John Reilly 54, Labourer, b. Lary, County of Carm (spl?)
Margaret Reilly 52, b. Lary, County of Carm (spl?)
James Reilly 24, b. Lanarkshire
Peter Reilly 22, b. Glasgow, Linlithgowshire (as indexed)
Thomas Reilly 20, b. Clackmannanshire
Mary Reilly 16, b Linlithgowshire
Margaret Reilly 13, b. Hamilton, Lanarkshire
Francis Reilly 10, b. Hamilton, Lanarkshire
Address: Duersion Of Dee Cottage, NIgg, Kincardineshire
So, Hilary, where we are to date. We think we have Mary b. 1855 and her parents and family. We also have a (first) marriage for her to a John Tannahill in 1871. A daughter Margaret was born to the couple in 1872 in Aberdeen fitting the age of the Margaret who shows in 1881 in England. We also have an illegitimate birth to likely father Alexander Herschell and Mary Reilly in Dundee, fitting the child Alexander who shows in 1881 in England.
On Alexander, I haven't been able to find anything at all as yet. Certainly I can't see an Alexander in his age range born in Montrose in the early censuses so far.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Well done, Monica. There's a few John Tannahill deaths from 1872 to 1874, none of them in Aberdeenshire, but it's possible he died outside the county.
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MonicaLesl
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Not sure John had died when Mary had son Alexander in Dundee. There are only four deaths of a John Tannahill (with lots of wildcards) between 1871-4. Three were in Glasgow and 1 in Ayr (three of them look to be babies, age 0, and one is 67). If John didn't die, may explain why we all can't seem to find a marriage for Mary and Alexander?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hilary
This entry in 1891 is just too close not to be Alexander and family (no Mary though who died a few months later) in Latchford Warrington:
Alexander Hesschell 45, b. Scotland
Maggie Hesschell 14
Isabella Hesschell 11
Annie Hesschell 4
John Hesschell 2
And son Alexander b. 1874 in 1891 census entry. He is lodging in Warrington:
Eliza H Davenport 48
Joseph Davenport 56
Alexander Herchell 17, b. Dundee, lodger
George W Rodgers 16
Gilbert G Rodgers 13
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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On Alexander Jnr b. 1874, this looks like him and new family in Warrington in 1901:
Alexander Herschell 27, b. Scotland
Mary E Herschell 25
Marjory E Herschell 7
Alexander Herschell 5
Alice Herschell 3
William Herschell 1
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MonicaLesl
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Hilary
It's good practice to put links to previous posts on same subjects, such as www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,122290.msg545229.html#msg545229 It helps people not to duplicate what you already have and saves their time.
Hume, I think we've been retracing steps 
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hume24
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And Re: herschells of montrose
Hopefully Hilary can now use the information from this thread and dig further back. I notice there was also a suggestion for Alexander Snr's birth in the above thread, might be worth checking out too, Hilary.
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