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(QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?
« on: Saturday 23 June 07 05:26 UTC (UK) »

Ann Ralph was an immigrant from Tipperary to Western Australia, Swan
River Colony, arrived "probably in the 'Clara' in September 1853", possibly a
'bride ship'.

Is it possible to confirm this information/or not, please?

Thanks so much

Rozzy (in Western Australia)
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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 June 07 10:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Rozzy,

Victoria Public Records Office has a MRS. Ann Ralph arriving on the the Sarah in 1854. Did your Ann marry in Australia?

They also have details for passengers arriving on the Clara in July 1853, but only six names including the Captain.

Is it likely that the Clara would have returned in September of the same year? She is not mentioned again in Victoria until 1865.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=23

You can search the records on this link.

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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 June 07 10:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Rozzy

Don't want to hi-jack your thread, but I have an Ann(e) RALPH married to a James Quin(n) from Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. 
Apart from the fact they had a daughter Catherine, that's all I know.
Sound familiar??

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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 June 07 02:16 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Bren and RonnieG, I appreciate your time and research.

Anne Ralph is very elusive!!  She had 8 children to ex convict Edward Langridge in Western Australia starting with Ellen in 1856.  No marriage records, but he had previously been married in England before being transported. 

It makes sense that she might have been married before, and if she was
born around 1823,  would have been over 30 with her new family.  As a
coincidence, her third child/daughter 1859 was called Catherine.

'Local records' have her perhaps arriving under her own name in 1853 to WA
on the Clara, but shipping records don't support this. There is no variation
of her Ralph name arriving at all.  She could have entered Aus. through Victoria, but she lived in WA at least from 1856 until death 1897.  Death details only show that she was born in Tipperary.

So, she could have left a husband and daughter in Ireland and travelled
to Aus via London.....?

Back to the drawing board...Smiley

Thanks,

Rozzy



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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 June 07 10:11 UTC (UK) »

Rozzy,

Why do you think she might have been on the "Clara"?

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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 June 07 10:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ronnie

A local WA respected historian Rica Erickson has written countless books,
and documented stacks of info.

Her book "The Bride Ships" has a reference to Ann Ralph "an Irish immigrant
from Tipperary and arrived probably in the Clara in September 1853."  I have
no idea where the info came from for this.

In trying to source the primary info, I came across this site.

Thanks,

Rozzy
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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 June 07 10:42 UTC (UK) »

Rozzy,

The passenger list on Victoria PRO only listed the captain and another officer(?) plus a family of four.

However British Parliamentary Papers, 1856 XXIV [2089],393 has the following information on the Clara and other ships Return of Ships and Emigrants despatched by Public Funds to Western Australia from 1850 to 1854:

Clara
Departure 7th June 1853
Arrival 3rd September 1853
Carrying 54 men, 173 women, 41 boys and 58 girls (under 14). 5 children died during the voyage.

So we need to find a list of names for these passengers.

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Re: RALPH??, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 June 07 10:08 UTC (UK) »

More information that I now have: (from genealogy library)

The demand in Western Australia for single girls and women ...  resulted
in false information sometimes given ...during 1853 four large contingents of
Irish girls and women arrived, selected mainly from poorhouses and orphanages of Cork and Dublin...  The immigrant ships, the Travencore,
(January), the Palestine (April), the Sabrina (June) and the Clara (September)...

So names are not reliable.

Having said that, I wonder if Bren was on the right track, and that
Ann was married to James Quin/n.  There are several James Quinn convicts
listed at the Fremantle Prison, but not conclusive where 2 came from.

So perhaps I should be searching for an Ann/e Quin/n, and/or details
of James Quin/n a convict sent to WA from Ireland. 

Should I start a new topic?

Thanks

Rozzy
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Re: RALPH, Ann: immigrated to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 June 07 13:30 UTC (UK) »



A local WA respected historian Rica Erickson has written countless books,
and documented stacks of info.

Her book "The Bride Ships" has a reference to Ann Ralph "an Irish immigrant
from Tipperary and arrived probably in the Clara in September 1853." I have
no idea where the info came from for this.


Hi Rozzy,

Any contact details for this historian?

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Re: (QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 29 June 07 01:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ronnie

"Any contact details for this historian?"

Maybe, she's over 80 now so I'll see if she's available.


I would like to pursue the Quin/n line to determine if Ann/e Ralph
Quin/n is mine.

Do you know if Ann/e and/or James died in Ireland?  According to Bren
they are named as the parents of Catherine on her marriage cert but that's
all she knows.

My Ann died 20/2/1897 aged approx 74, so born approx 1823, which
made her 33 when she had her first registered child here in Western Australia.

She travelled to Aus, maybe following her convict husband??

Anyway, I'll look forward to hearing anything that you can find.

Thanks,

Rozzy
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Re: (QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 25 April 09 05:04 UTC (UK) »

Would your Ann Ralph be any relation to a Helen (Ellen) Ralph that married a John Robinson.  In the mid 1800s they were in Cloughjordan/Borrisokane, Tipperary.

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Re: (QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 25 April 09 05:06 UTC (UK) »

Sorry not married to John Robinson that was one of their many children.  Helen (Ellen) Ralph was married to Michael Robinson.  John was born abt. 1834. 
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Re: (QUINN?)RALPH, Ann: to Western Australia 1853?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 April 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesley

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Ann/e RALPH except that she
had babies and a large family to ex convict Edward LANGRIDGE in Western Australia. There are no marriage details recorded.

It was not unusual for ex convicts to not marry, as they had often left
wives in England who could then not afford/not want to follow their transported
husbands.  Edward had a wife Susan and at least one child in England when
he was transported to Western Australia.

It's possible that Ann/e had also been married, but that's only based on her
age at the birth of her first child to Edward;  over 30, deduced from her age
given at death (74 at 1897).  She was possibly born mid 1820's.

There were so many women who arrived in the colony to even up the numbers, records were not kept well and/or were unreliable.

So I'm sorry I can't answer your question  Sad

Good luck with your searching, if I happen to find anything more I
will let you know.

Rozzy



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