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Eliza Read Neat - born England
« on: Thursday 09 December 04 08:27 GMT (UK) »

I have been searching for Eliza Reed Neat, born around  1814, "England.   She married William Webber in South Africa 6 Dec 1847 and died there 1893.   Her father was William Neat, but that is as far as I know.   He was also born "England" and died in South Africa in 1836 - his wife was Rhoda.   Any help very much appreciated - June
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 December 04 20:23 GMT (UK) »

Try the National Archives of South Africa at http://www.national.archives.gov.za (cut and paste). There is a record for an Eliza Webber nee Neah (sic, could be a typo, looks as if she died in 1895).
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 December 04 19:59 GMT (UK) »

Thanks John - I have searched on this data base with no success - which archives in particular did you find the reference?   Thank you!
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 December 04 06:21 GMT (UK) »

Hi there  - what is the information that you need? Do you the family before or after the marriage or both!! Eliza and William and a whole lot of other Webbers are are buried in the Old Cemetery in Grahamstown.
Do you have a death notice for her at all - this will list the children from that marriage.
Send me as much info as possible  and I will see what I can find. I see that you have posted a message on the south african Mailing list which is  a very good place to start!
Ruth
Apologies for the delay but I have been away for 2 weeks
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 December 04 10:24 GMT (UK) »

Thank you!   This is a busy time and I appreciate that there is much else to do - so as and when!
What I know is that Eliza Reed Neat married William Webber on 6/12/1847 - she was aged 33 years 1 m and 7 days.   There is a strange bit of information - "Eliza did not have nose" - this information was passed on to me by my sister in law after she did some research in South Africa but she hasn't given a source.   I know of 5 children gleaned from her death notice  23/12/1893 and that of her husband, William Webber 5th June 1895.   They are
Elizabeth b 27.4.1849
Charles b 22.7.1851
Thomas b 20.7.1853
Robert James born 1 Mar/May. 1855
William John b 30.11.1857.

There is also a note that Eliza was the daughter of the 1820 Settler William Neat - but I haven't been able to verify this.

I have the Gravestone inscription for William Webber and that of his first wife Mary at the Old Grahamstown Cemetery.

Where I have been stuck for many years is with the origins of Eliza and the mystery of this "no nose" note.

I have the death notice of her father William 22 11 1836 which doesn't help with origins - "England" but does give names of children and wife named as Rhoda.   The Children are Eliza (1814 - England). Ann 1822, John 1827 - Grahamstown according to his DN and Sarah 1829.  Also death notice of Eliza's  brother John Neat (5650 28.8.1869) which gives his mother's name as Roda

I think that that is all I have!   I would be very interested in anything that you may come up with!

Best wishes for the holiday season
June
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 December 04 13:05 GMT (UK) »

hi June,
Have you had any contact with Kathryn Bax as she is researching the 1820 Webbers. I will send her a message to look at your posting and see if she can help. William Jervois at the museum in Grahamstown is also very helpful.
I will also contact a friend who is an expert in 1820 settlers.
Might not get back to you before christmas!
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 December 04 15:14 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Ruth
Hopefully something will come up!
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 December 04 04:55 GMT (UK) »

Hi June

I have gone through my records and I haven't got a lot to offer I'm afraid.

This is all I have:

William NEAT 1820 Settler 
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   William's occupation was a Labourer.
   William was born in 1798.
   William and Susan ??  were married.
   William and Susan had the following children:
 
2. i. Jane NEAT  Jane  was born in 1820.


Now I assume there were other children, including Eliza, but I don't have this information.

I have looked through my Webber data and haven't any connections.

Sorry I couldn't have been more help.

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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 December 04 09:01 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Kathryn
Every little bit helps - I am sure that one day I will uncover the details.
Best wishes for 2005
June
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 06 January 05 18:49 GMT (UK) »

Hi June,
there is now a transcription index of Mrs Nashs book on the net (see below) which also lists Williams age as 22  - eliza would have been born in 1814 so dont think this is her father! There were a number of Reeds but none that fit the bill - was she a spinster on the marriage cert?
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http://www.genealogyworld.net/robin/1820.html
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 06 January 05 20:59 GMT (UK) »

Hello Ruth - yes - Eliza Reed Neat - Full age Spinster residence at time of Marriage Grahamstown - MS14 879/2  nesses Robert Webber, Mary Webber and J M Goodes (?)
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #11 on: Friday 07 January 05 04:51 GMT (UK) »

June have you been in touch with William Jervois in Grahamstown at all?
Perhaps he has something in the archives.
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #12 on: Friday 07 January 05 07:31 GMT (UK) »

Hello Ruth
I have done so - my first attempt to contact him was using an out of date email address!
Thank you
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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 31 May 06 15:57 BST (UK) »

Hi June

This has just come through on our mailing list and I thought of you-
Register of the Church of Christ called Baptist in Grahamstown
CORY MS 16 850D.1 Vol 1
Minister: Rev Alexander Hay
Transcribed by: Tessa King

Page No. 022
Surname: WEBBER
Christian Names: Elizabeth
Fathers Names: William
Mothers Names: Eliza Reed
Mothers Maiden Name: NEAT
Date of Birth: 25 Apr 1849
Where Born: Grahamstown

Page No. 022
Surname: WEBBER
Christian Names: Charles
Fathers Names: William
Mothers Names: Eliza Reed
Mothers Maiden Name: NEAT
Date of Birth: 22 July 1851
Where Born: Grahamstown

Page No. 022
Surname: WEBBER
Christian Names: Thomas
Fathers Names: William
Mothers Names: Eliza Reed
Mothers Maiden Name: NEAT
Date of Birth: 20 July 1853
Where Born: Grahamstown

Page No. 022
Surname: WEBBER
Christian Names: Robert James
Fathers Names: William
Mothers Names: Eliza Reed
Mothers Maiden Name: NEAT
Date of Birth: 01 May 1855
Where Born: Grahamstown

Page No. 022
Surname: WEBBER
Christian Names: William John
Fathers Names: William
Mothers Names: Eliza Reed
Mothers Maiden Name: NEAT
Date of Birth: 30 Nov 1857
Where Born: Grahamstown

If you want copies of the originals I can get these to you.


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Re: Eliza Read Neat - born England
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 June 06 08:02 BST (UK) »

Kathryn - Thank you so much! - copies of the originals would be brilliant!   How would we go about this?
June
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