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Forthefamily
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Hello,
Is the census for Cumberland in 1861 and 1871 complete? Is there data missing? I've got a gap for a family I'm looking for and it doesn't make sense. I'm looking for records related to Longtown.
I've never done any research in Cumberland before and it would help to know if I'm wasting my time looking for census records:)
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Mary Ann
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hello who are you looking for??
I can see quite a few people born Longtown Cumberland living in Longtown 1871 also born Longtown living elsewhere.
1861 census has people born Longtown but listing Arthuret the parish where they live which is correct but the town is Longtown.
Maybe your name has been transcribed wrongly.
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Forthefamily
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I just started looking for my husband's family - Tate.
I found the family in 1851 living in the Parish of Farlam at 56 Bog.
Joseph Tate - 46
Mary Tate - 42
John Tate - 16
Jane Tate - 10
Mary Tate - 8
Joseph Tate - 6
Elizabeth Tate - 2
John Johnson - 39 visitor
When I couldn't find some of them in 1861, I thought maybe they emigrated.
The next time I can pick up the trail is in 1881.
Joseph Tate ( the son) is 35 living in Toxteth Park (Liverpool) at 25 Arundel Street with his wife and children.
Sarah Tate - 26
Joseph Tate - 2
Emily B Tate - 1
Mary E. Latimer - 8 visitor
Elizabeth Robinson - 15 visitor
I can see I have my work cut out for me:)
Mary Ann
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I have just had your message re Tates of Farlam brought to my attention. The John aged 16 in 1851 is my great-grandfather. He also moved to Toxteth with wife and family. With the help of members of Cumbria FHS I have trasced the family back to c.1700. Glad to sshare any info with you. Tatie.
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Forthefamily
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If this is true I'm in shock. I just started looking into his family this week!!!!!!
The Joseph Tate in 1881 was a builder - Joseph Tate & Sons.
I have the family in 1901 as follows:
Joseph Tate - 55
Sarah Tate - 46
Joseph Tate - 22
Emily B Tate - 21
Mary E Tate - 19
Percival Tate - 14 (died WW1)
Norman Tate - 8
Arnold Tate - 5
The son Arnold John Tate was my husband's Grandfather.
Am I on track or have I taken a sidestep? I have so may gaps between census I'm not sure if I've got the right people.
Mary Ann
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Hello again. I don't know about the earlier censuses, but I cannot find my great -grandparents John and Helen or Ellen Tate or their only child my grandfather George Joseph, thier only child, in the 1901 census. They had lived in Cairns Street, just a couple of roads from Arundel Street, but the 1901 census unusually notes the address as empty, suggesting perhaps they had only recently moved. They retired back to Cumbria - Brampton - and died there. John, like his father also Joseph, had been a tallow chandler in Farlam, but seems to have worked for his brother Joseph in Liverpool, so any info you have on his firm would be most welcome.
Cairns Street still exists - just - though in a very run-down state, the Council doubtless intending at some time to completely demolish and rebuild it, as they have Arundel Street.
I couldn't find Joseph and family in the 1891 census. Did you? I found in one of the censuses, I think 1891 but maybe 1881, a list of the whole street giving everyone's occupation, which was most interesting. Tatie
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Forthefamily
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Actually, I haven't looked at the Tates as much yet. As I said, I just started looking on Saturday. I was wondering about the visitor Mary E. Latimer in the 1881 census. She is only 8 so who is she? A relative?
So, off I went:) I found a webpage about Longtown and saw where there may be a connection somewhere down the road.
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/longtown19/index.html
If you go to the section “Some Longtown Families” and page down to the bottom you’ll find a submission about a George Tate and his daughter Margaret who married a Robert Latimer way back when. Another tangent to pursue but later.
Plus. I don't know much about the lay of the land. I’ve only been to Liverpool and Birkenhead twice and that was many years ago. Therefore, I wanted to find out about Toxteth as a place first. I found this a very interesting site.
http://www.toxteth.net/index.htm
I haven’t found the Tate family I was looking at in the 1861, 1871 or 1891 census which is odd. So it’s looks like I’m going to have to do a page by page search. Not as hard as it sounds.
About the business,…the company apparently built a lot of homes in Wallasey. The family eventually moved to Birkenhead but I’m not sure when that would be. I did find Joseph Tate in the Gore’s Directory of Liverpool & Birkenhead, 1900 as a builder living on Sydenham Avenue which matches the 1901 census and in Kelly’s Directory of Liverpool & Birkenhead, 1894, a John Tate, builder living at 54 Cairns Street. Just below him is a Joseph Tate, clerk at 44 Barbara Street, Toxteth…maybe his brother?
I’m going to start a tree so I can keep all these Johns and Josephs straight. I’ll let you know what I find regarding the census.
Mary Ann
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Hi Mary Ann
If you search for TAIT rather than TATE in the census you might find the ones you are looking for
cheers
Bridget
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OK. 1891 Census
54 Cairns Street
John Tate - 56 - Longtown, Cumberland - Builder
Ellen Tate - 57 - Halfmorton, Scotland
George Tate - 18 - Farlam, Cumberland - Clerk
They have a boarder - Chas H Haig - 36 - Halifax, Yorkshire - Ironmonger/Salesman
1881 Census
same address
John Tate - 43 ? - Joiner
Ellen Tate - 48
George J Tate - 8 - Scholar
They have a lodger - William T Robson - 24 - Northumberland - Clerk & Salesman
Little by little......
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Tatie
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I think the Joseph, clerk, in the 1891 census is Joseph the builder's son, and hence John Tate's uncle. Tatie
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I'll begin again! I think that Joesph the clerk in the 1894 directory is the son of Joseph the builder, and hence John Tate's nephew. Tatie.
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Hi
Here are Tatie’s great grandparents on the final available census....
1901
Birkenhead, Wallasey RG13/3403 Folio 151 Page 14
John Tate Head M 67 General Labourer Cumberland Longtown
Ellen do Wife M 71 Scotland
Geo Jos do Son S 28 Sugar Merchants Traveller Cumberland Longtown
47 Oxford Street, Liscard, Wallasey
(Indexed as Fate) 
Hope that helps
DS 
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As Fate would have it? hee hee
My husband did think they may have moved to Wallasey because they were building there .
Thanks DS for your help.
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So Tatie. I did what DS did and lo and behold I found the family in 1841 as Fates and Sates:)
Joseph Tate - 35 - Butcher??
Mary Tate - 35
John Tate - 6
David Tate - 2 (he wasn't in the 1851 census poor wee thing)
Jane Tate - 1
Also, there's an Ann Elliot that seems to be part of the household. There are initials under trade etc. - F.S. - Female? Scholar? I need to look into that unless someone on the list can clarify.
And, I found them in 1861...it's a stretch but I'm sure it's them. It's a gut feeling. They are now Taits. Ah, well.
Back in Farlam ....living I think as tenants of William Gill...just a guess because I really don't know enough about the period or the place. I need to do a lot of homework to understand the area. Most of my experience is with Ireland so I'm a bit lost.
Mary is now Margaret.
Margaret Tait - 52 - Widow
John Tait - 25 - Tallow Chandler
Joseph Tait - 15 - Agr Lab
Bessy Tait - 12 - Scholar
Sadly, I can't find Mary in 1871. She would be about 62 and hopefully living with one of her children enjoying her grandchildren. Tatie, do you know what happened to her?
Tatie please keep in touch. You can send me a PM and if you want I can get soft copies of what I have found and send them to you.
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Hello
F S is Female Servant
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