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REEDY
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Can anyone help me to locate a place name. I am looking for a Samuel Lea and family i have them on all of the census in 1851 it says Samuel Lee age 39 born Open Gates? Shropshire in 1861 it says Samuel Lay age 52 born [b]Shelford? Shropshire.
Is there a place called Shelford in Shropshire i would be grateful for any help as i am trying to find Samuel"s baptism
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Hello Reedy
The only place that I can think of is Oakengates which is on the old A5 near present day Telford. I think the old parish records would be Wellington or Wrockwardine.
There is also a parish called Shelve near Bishops Castle.
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Added - could you give the census references so that we can look at the places written, please?
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Here are the reference numbers for the census returns
1851 census Kingswinford h0107 2036 544 14
1861 census Kingswinford rg9 2071 13 page21
Could you tell me if Samuel was born in one of these parishes where would he have been baptised
Thanks for the information so far
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Hi Reedy
I've looked at the 1851 and it certainly looks like Open gates - I'm sure it must be Oakengates.
The 1861 coud possibly be Shifnal which is in the same broad area around modern day Telford. The parishes could be Wellington, Madeley, Shifnal or Wrockwardine.
I've found a possible for him on the IGI at Madeley but it is only a possible:
bpt 19 July 1812, Madeley. Parents - Samuel Lea and Mary
The Shropshire Archives - http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf will undertake a 10 min search for free if you phone them or a more detailed one for a very reasonable cost.
Hope this helps. One of our members, Lloydy, may have more information.
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Gadget
Added - I note that his wife was born Broseley. This is in the same braod area - see www.multimap.co.uk
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I do have the baptism for Samuel Lea in 1812 in Madeley,but i needed to check his place of birth, i have also tried to find the marriage of Samuel lea to Mary Owen on the 11 Jan 1811 in Madeley (according to IGI) the shropshire archives have checked the date in Madeley but could not find them.
I live to far away to visit the archives so i may have to pay for some research.
Thanks for the information any help appreciated as i have hit a bit of a brick wall with this family
I wonder if Samuel born 1812 had any brothers or sisters as i cannot find any?
Regards Reedy
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Have you got his marriage details to Eliza Hall Armstrong (bpt. Broseley 13 June 1813 - parents Benjamin and Sarah)?
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Added - looks like they married 11 August 1833, Dudley
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Thanks for the information i do have their marriage and elizas baptism and some information about her parents. Its Samuel i am really stuck on. I need to know if he had any siblings etc. If Samuel and Mary are his parents i have them on the 1841 census living in Coalbrookdale he is aged 50 occupation pattern maker.
Samuels baptism does not have his fathers occupation or his mothers maiden name.
I know that Samuel lea senior died in Coalbrookdale in jul 1843 but i cannot find any information about mary she did not die in Coalbrookdale but she may have remarried or died in Kingswinford.
Any ideas on how i can tie this all together or find the family.
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I think it will be a hard slog, Reedy. I've got lots in my lines that are similar to yours - no proof to link them and probably I'm more remote geographically 
It's rather sad that Samuel and Elizabeth married before 1837. Have you seen the actual record/copy of it at a records office/family records centre? It might give some more info.
I've looked throught the same batch that Samuel's baptism appears on and Samuel is the only child of Samuel and Mary. it might be that they moved around a it so you'd have to check all theparish records for the area
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Thanks for your help Gadget I do have a copy of the marriage between Samuel and Eliza in 1833 the only clue is a Joseph Lays? was the witness at the marriage. I will look again to see if i can connect him in some way
So its back to the drawing board for me!
Reedy
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Joseph Lays looks interesting. have you followed him up at all? It's certainly worth a try. Quite often witnesses were Church Wardens - this you could check in the records. If he wasn't, he could well be a brother or other relative.
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How do i go about checking the records i have treid to look for a Joseph lay but without success so far
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I presume that you have checked Joseph Lee/lea, etc. Also, you'd need to get hold of the Dudley Parish Records to see if he witnessed any other marriages or if there are entries in the records that mention the Church Wardens.
I'll see if I can find anything later but can't promise at the moment.
Can you remember if he signed or not?
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Joseph signed with the usual mark a X
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That suggests to me that he was a relative. I've looked at the 1841 for him - various surnames in Dudley - nothing really He might have moved, as Samuel did. I can't find any baptisms at the moment. It's really worth having a real terrier go at this.
Are there any Josephs around wher Samuel lived later on?
I'm off on holiday on Friday It would be nice if others here could take up the cause.
Gadget
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