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Long_haul
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Can anyone make the connection with CLEMENT LONG born WISBECH approx 1868 and an ETHEL MAY HEAD OR WELLS( area and birth unknown) ?
I believe Clement and Ethel to have been married - cannot find marriage.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received
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MaryA
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There is a marriage for Clement Long June qtr 1891 Wisbech 3b 964.
There is only one female name transcribed which means that either one is not yet transcribed or the number has been transcribed incorrectly.
If you really wanted to take a chance the GRO would issue you the certificate with the above information and then you can see who he married.
There are two Clement Long's born Emneth, Norfolk one approximately 1868 to John and Julia and living in Wisbech in 1871, the other born approximately 1870 to Henry and Hannah.
The first one isn't with his family in the 1891 census but the second one is still at home with father Henry and siblings, so presumably the first one is the one you are interested in.
Can you tell us more about Ethel May Head/Wells? Presumably you haven't found her in a census but where have you got her name from?
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ricky1
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Hi Long Haul
Only marriage that I can find is on the Camdex online
Clement Long to an Elizabeth Bouch 1891 , Fenland district, which might be the one Mary A is talking about. But you could do what Mary says and take a chance with the GRO
regards
ricky
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Long_haul
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Thankyou both - Will have to take the chance and order the certificate.
unfortunately do not have any proven info on Ethel May Head/Wells.
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ricky1
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1891
census
Elizabeth Bouch head wid 46 innkeeper Norfolk King Lynn
Elizabeth E " dau u/m 17 living at home Cambs Wisbech
John T " son u/m 15 sawmill worker "
George A " son u/m 11 scholar "
Clemmet Long boarder 23 groom "
living at Hope Inn, 18 Canal street, Wisbech St Peter,Wisbech, Cambs
Rg12/ 1304
folio 87
page 16
Could be him
ricky
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ricky1
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Hi Long Haul
This is from the Camdex Online site
Surname: LONG
Forename: Clement
Year of Marriage: 1891
Reference: 338/ROW12/137/1
District: Fenland The Registration District in which the marriage took place
Spouses Surname BOUCH
Surname: BOUCH
Forename: Elizabeth
Year of Marriage: 1891
Reference: 338/ROW12/137/2
District: Fenland The Registration District in which the marriage took place
Spouses Surname LONG
regards
ricky
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Long_haul
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THANKYOU !!!!! This just may be the breakthrough I need.
I believe Ethel to have been an Inn keeper and Clement was
also known as Jimmy the Whip.
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Long_haul
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Hi Ricky1
Oops still getting used to the site - Thankyou for the marriage details.
FOR: MaryA: Ethel Head/Wells were names mentioned by family Elders
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MaryA
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Long_haul,
You'd best chat some more with the Elders and see if they can come up with some sort of date, maybe she was a second marriage.
Nice one Ricky, I tried various searches for Clem* etc. but blast I was checking Norfolk instead of Cambridge!!
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Long_haul
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Hi MaryA
Unfortunately no-one is a talking - think this is the skeleton.
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MaryA
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Many marriage entries are transcribed on FreeBMD, but for the name Clement Long, mainly up to 1912. You can search the full marriage index for free, image by image at www.ancestry.co.uk and see whether there is another entry after this date.
Plenty of skeletons about but often they can be uncovered. Wear down those who aren't talking with questions.
If these people are still living who remember Clement and Ethel then it would certainly sound like a marriage which took place later, maybe well after 1900. Do they remember them? Why is there an uncertainty about her surname? Do they remember any children of the marriage? Do they remember where they lived? How certain are they that the name was Ethel May? or could it be Elizabeth E and so
tie in with the 1891 census?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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ricky1
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Hi MaryA
I only found him by looking for Elizabeth Bouch, I couldn't find him using his name, tried several combinations but he didn't come up. Thing is with Wisbech being so close to the Norfolk boarder and being the biggest town in the area, them that are born inside the Norfolk boarder, get registered in Wisbech in Cambs. Thought they would have been better registered in King Lynn which is only about 12 miles away and in Norfolk. 
ricky
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Long_haul
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Hi MaryA,
I do not believe the marriage took place after 1900. Two children born, died before 1902. Clement Long and ?Ethel May Head/Wells adopted my Grandmother in 1902. I realise that at that time there wasn`t such a thing as official adoption. I think this is where the mystery is.
If Elizabeth E turns out to be an Elizabeth EMMA - this ties in.
Like Ricky I had been searching in Norfolk. With the information you have both given
me I will go back toFreeBMD.
Thankyou both.
Long haul
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ricky1
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Hi Long Haul
Your Welcome, good luck
regards
ricky
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Ken_from_Wisbech
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[quote author=ricky1 "
living at Hope Inn, 18 Canal street, Wisbech St Peter,Wisbech, Cambs
Rg12/ 1304
folio 87
page 16
Could be him
ricky
Just an addition, Ricky, a mate of mine's father was the last landlord of The Hope and asked me to do a pen & Ink drawing with the old gas holder in it. I remember it in the late 50s, early 60s as they started to fill the canal in.
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Drake, Blackhall, Roney, Lovell. Parry, Edwards, Pardoe, Braun/Brawn/Bryan, all in Bethnal Green, Stepney, Whitechapel, Mile End, Tottenham, Palmers Green and Edmonton area. http://www.wisbech-town.co.ukAlso a member of the East of London and Fenland Family History Societies |
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