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Topic: Parish (hamlet) of HORNDEAN, Ladykirk (Read 1435 times)
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sandies99
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Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
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excel
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I have had a look at the 1881 census but I can't see any mention of Salmon Inn, Horndean. There are 2 Inns mentioned at Ladykirk. One refers to the 'Casual Inn House' - UNINHABITED. Next to it is 'Inn', Ladykirk and the Innkeeper was James Moffatt 30 born England; Elizabeth Moffat, Innkeeper's wife, 29 born England; Adam H. Moffatt, Son, 7, born England; Elizabeth Moffatt, Daur, 2, born England.
So far I have only found 1 house with Horndean in the address: -
[New Horndean] Farm House, Ladykirk, Berwick, Scotland
John Webster, Head, Farmer, 74, born St Cyrus, Kincardine;
Wife, Agnes, 69, born St Cyrus;
Daur, Emma Duncan Webster, unm, 31, born St Cyrus;
Daur, Alice, 23, born St Cyrus;
Servant, Alicia, unm, born England;
Servant, Janet Shearlaw, unm, 17, born Ayton, Berwick;
Mother in law, Mary Carnegie, Widow, 95, born Logie Pert, Forfar, Fife;
Maybe I am missing something somewhere but I just can't see any other in Horndean so don't know if this is any help at all.
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Cline: Ireland and Berwick on Twieed
Collin: Eyemouth
Clyne: Ireland, Berwickshire, Northumberland
Barns, Barnes: Fife
Walker: Edinburgh & Stirling
Laing, Wilson, Forrest, Forrester, Colven, Rae, Cowe, Buglass, Johnson, Wilson, Thorburn, Darling, Broomfield, : Berwickshire
McRaw, Cameron, Taylor, Gould/Guild, McIntyre, Maxton, McDonald, Douglass : Perthshire
Cormack, Campbell, Sutherland, Doull: Caithness
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sandies99
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Thanks for your reply. The problem seems to be that Horndean is such a small place, even today I think there are still only 12 houses there - and since the 1500's ceased to be a parish in its own right and became part of the parish of Ladykirk.
The Casual Inn House that you mentioned is a lovely name - but how can I prove where abouts in the parish of Ladykirk it actually was - if it is in Horndean or not.
I looked at the 1901 census - and also only found one reference to Horndean - which is strange. You have found more census information than I ever did.
I have even written to the National Library of Scotland - they cant find any record of the place.
I had an email from one man of 87 who still lives in Horndean, he actually remembers drinking there in 1939 - he couldnt tell me much - and because of his age I didnt feel inclined to pressure him further.
I am sure there must be information somewhere - maybe in trade directories of that era - but I just cant locate anything.
Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble - I will hold on to the information - and will be very grateful if you find anything else.
Thanks again,
Sandie
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GarthD
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My Great Grandfather was Innkeeper of the Salmon Inn, Ladykirk Berwickshire at the time of the 1871 Census. But I think they only lived there for about 2 years.
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terry hastie
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Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
Southern Counties Register 1866: Trades for the Village of Horndean includes 2 Innkeepers but no names for Inns.
John Robertson and Sergeant Gillies are the Innkeepers.
Terry
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GarthD
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William Duncan was the innkeeper of Salmon Inn, Ladykirk in the 1871 Census, but within a couple of years he had become a policeman in Sunderland. Originally he had lived in Aberdeenshire.
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redpath 05
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Greetings; I only joined today, hence more than two years behind your message. I lived in Horndean Bank, which is in the centre of the hamlet, from 1952 until I left to join the RAF in 1966. I believe the population was 18 when I lived there. Six of those were my family ie mother, father, brother, sister and aunt. The pub was long gone by the time we moved there; father and mother were non-drinkers so I know nothing about the Salmon Inn. Sorry. Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
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Violetta
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I don't know if this will help but my great great and then great grandmother were innkepers of the Salmon Inn in Norham which is just across the Tweed in Northumberland.Very close to Ladykirk. The inn has long disappeared and I am wondering if there is any connection with the inn at Horndean . My g ggrandmother came originally from the ladykirk area . Is the Salmon Inn a common name for a pub? This is all very vague. I know the Inn was running in Norham at the end of the 19th century.
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