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« on: Sunday 01 July 07 11:40 UTC (UK) »

Is anyone on this list researching PHIMISTER in Caithness?
I may have some sort of connection depending on verification of some related details. Thought it might be worth getting organised in case.

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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 August 07 11:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi James,
There are Phimisters in my family tree although I don't know much about them.   Sad
I have Isabella Phimister, can't find any date of birth although she was 28 in the 1851 cenusus.  She married John McKenzie (quarryman) in Broadhaven (?) on 31st Jan, 1840.  Her father (I am assuming) was George Phimister, farmer. He is mentioned in the marriage entry as the witnesss "for the woman".  I haven't been able to find any birth or death details for Isabella.  I do know she had a son George Phimister McKenzie born around 1851 in Wick.

It's all a bit vague I know!
Thanks  Smiley
Bec
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 August 07 12:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bec,

Thanks for your reply.

For starters, I have:

Marjory Phimister (schoolteacher) married a James Mitchell b around 1846.

James was brother to Charles Mitchell, fishcurer, Fraserburgh b. 1826 married to Janet Rettie.

Their daughter Mary Ann Mitchell married Peter Slessor.

There's loads of stuff going sideways, but so far, I've not gone far purely with Phimister.

James.
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 August 07 06:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi James,
I'm having a lot of trouble finding my Phimisters!  I can find Isabella in the 1851 census without any trouble but not in the 1841 or any subsequent to 1851..it's very odd.  Like the family just disappears.   Sad

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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 August 07 07:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi there Bec,

It really is inconsiderate of these ancestors to be so elusive, right?
Did the name itself find its way to Oz or just the genes?

This isn't a name I'd had any contact with until recently.  I believe there are still Phimisters in Caithness (Wick) but haven't uprooted them as yet.

For me, it is a connecting name rather than a main research one.  That said, I don't like leaving a job half done.

James.
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 August 07 07:20 UTC (UK) »

Have I the right Isabella?

Father = George Phimister b: 1790 in Wick c: 28 Apr 1790 in Wick Caithness

Mother = Alexanderina Wares b: 1790 in Wick Caithness

Marriage = 1 John McKenzie b: 1804 in Gairloch, Ross & Cromarty
Married: 31 Jan 1840 in Wick Caithness
Children
John McKenzie b: 1842 in Wick Caithness
Alexanderina McKenzie b: 1846 in Wick Caithness
Margaret McKenzie b: 1848 in Wick Caithness
George McKenzie b: 1850 in Wick Caithness
James McKenzie b: 1859 in Wick Caithness

There's another poster here on rootschat doing Wares btw.
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 August 07 11:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi James,
Thanks for the msg...I had joined the Caithness.org forum but haven't had time to look or post  Sad

It certainly looks like the right Isabella although I have no idea about her parents...I haven't found death details or any other details other than her marriage to John Mckenzie and the 1851 census.   Huh
I can't figure out why she disappears when I'm only changing the census year and her age.  Any tips??

The McKenzie line is actually the "main" line. My Grandmother was a Mackenzie/Mckenzie and George (born 1850 in Wick) was her grandfather. So I don't think the Phimisters made it out here through that line!

Bec
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 August 07 12:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bec,

No clues as yet, but a name change - even spelling variant -might make the difference.

Re Phimisters generally - http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=30201
follow thread till reference to FHS - its £10 membership lol.

Why not post your message on my forum (pm me for details) and it might be spotted.

Meantime, will keep on 'digging'.

James.
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 09:43 UTC (UK) »

1861 Hillhead Wick Ref 043  ED 2 Pg 41.212
John McKenzie Head  M M 46 Labourer
Isabella Wife M F 42
George  Son O M 10
Isabella Daur O F 8
James Son O M 1m
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 10:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tricia,
I've seen that family but the ages of John Mckenzie and Isabella don't fit with the 1851 census.  Isabella was 28 on the 1851 census while John was 47.  I have John's date of birth as 21.8.1804 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty.

James...can you give me a clue how you found the 1790 George Phimister and Alexanderina Wares?  I haven't been able to turn them up  Undecided

Thanks!
Bec
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 10:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tricia,
I've seen that family but the ages of John Mckenzie and Isabella don't fit with the 1851 census.  Isabella was 28 on the 1851 census while John was 47.  I have John's date of birth as 21.8.1804 in Gairloch, Ross and Cromarty.

James...can you give me a clue how you found the 1790 George Phimister and Alexanderina Wares?  I haven't been able to turn them up  Undecided

Thanks!
Bec


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following my pm to you, not sure I can but will try.  Will go away, collect myself together and look for what I sent. Sheesh -long day here already Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 10:20 UTC (UK) »

1861 Hillhead Wick Ref 043  ED 2 Pg 41.212
John McKenzie Head  M M 46 Labourer
Isabella Wife M F 42
George  Son O M 10
Isabella Daur O F 8
James Son O M 1m

Thanks Tricia.

James.
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Re: Geo PHIMISTER Alex'ina Wares
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 12:03 UTC (UK) »

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Parents:

George PHIMISTER,1790 -1859  was son of George PHIMISTER ( - ) and Christian BREMNER ( - ), was a Farmer/Innkeeper
Alexandrina WARES, 1791 - 1873    was daughter of James WARES (1761-aft1841) and Isobel GRAY ( -bef1841),
Alexanderina Wares  and George PHIMISTER had the following children:
1              George PHIMISTER (1814-1883)        m Barbara H Campbell
2   William PHIMISTER (1818-1868)      m Christian Sutherland
3   Alexandrina PHIMISTER (1824- )
4   James PHIMISTER (1827-1916)       m  1 Annie Thain(MY LINK) 2  E Jack   
5   Isabella PHIMISTER ( - )                  m John M
6   Alexander PHIMISTER (1837?- )      m Isabella ?   with his mother & children 1871

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some BIRTHS 
 to John McKenzie  & Isabella Phimister     Wick, Caithness
Alexandrina 25 Nov 1840
John 26 May 1842
William 6 Mar 1857 died 29 Oct 1860
James Phimister McKenzie b 19 May 1860 
Margaret  16 Oct 1862 Died 12 Sep 1864

From census there was another Margaret b c 1848 and  George b c 1850  Isabella b c 1853

1871 Census in Broadhaven Wick
MCKENZIE   John      Head   M   M   65   Labourer   ROC   O   1806
MCKENZIE   Isabella      Wife   M   F   49   O   CAI   Wick   1822
MCKENZIE   James P.      Son   U   M   10   Scholar   CAI   Wick   1861
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Re: PHIMISTER
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 13:07 UTC (UK) »

I think you could be right - needs looking into a bit more, or, something from someone else who 'has been there'.

Will study it some more meanwhile.

James.
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