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jillruss
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Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd 1827-1910
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Do you remember that old song? 'Like a rubber ball, I'll come bouncing back to you'?
Well, that's me!
I started off with a Sedbergh marriage(by licence) on 22 Dec 1737 between Richard Troughton of Kendal and Jane Fridge, of Strickland Roger - this information was kindly looked up for me by a fellow Rootschatter some time ago. It's a couple of years after the Richard and Jane Troughton I'm looking for had their first child, but seemed to be a possible. My Richard and Jane lived in Fellside, Kendal.
About a week ago, I decided to follow up this lead so emailed the Cumbria Record Office. They referred me to the kendal Office. Another email , but I had a prompt reply telling me that they don't hold the marriage bonds for Sedbergh and referring me to Lancashire Record Office.
Fair enough, I emailed the Lancashire Office to be told that they had looked this up in the 'Lancashire marriage Bonds 1734 to 1738' published by the record Society of Lancashire and Cheshire but had failed to find the marriage in question.
What they did find were 2 marriages:-
1. 22 Dec 1737 Thomas Nuby, weaver and Jane Fridge of Strickland Roger, both 21 and both of the parish of Kendal. Bondsman James Collinson of Sedbergh, mason.
2. 29 Dec 1738 Richard Troughton of Long Moor Head and Isabel Beeby of Cattarin both of the parish of St Bees. Bondsman Robert Troughton of W'haven, mariner.
At first, I thought my RC contact had made an error and that the Troughton/Fridge marriage never happened, but she didn't seem the type to make such a fundamental error, so I emailed the Lancashire Record Office back to query this - and, guess what? - they referred me back to the Kendal Office as they hold the Sedbergh PRs!!
Another email (feeling like a bit of a nuisance by now!!). I've just received a reply from the Kendal Office, confirming that the Sedbergh PRs definetly have the Dec 22 1737 Richard Troughton/Jane Fridge marriage! There are apparently no marriages entered in Sedbergh between April 1738 and Jan 1739 so they couldn't comment on the 1738 marriage bond which Lancs told me about.
They have suggested that I might try the Bishops Transcripts ,but will have to contact the West Yorks Archives Service in Leeds!
Now, I don't blame any of the people I have contacted - they've all answered very quickly and very politely with the information that they held. It's not their fault that Sedbergh has changed county hands so often ( I appreciate the problems - I used to live in Humberside but now I'm back in east Yorkshire and I haven't moved an inch!!).
But wouldn't you think 'the powers that be' would try to arrange some kind of consistency in their respective Records Offices?
Anyway, rant over.. the problem is, I don't know what to do next! Any ideas? even if it ever took place, the Troughton/Fridge marriage may very well turn out not to be mine, but I'd like to try and find out which records are correct!
Phew!!  
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Mair
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Jill
My first thought was BT's are a "copy" of the PR's. In the mists of time - and my memory aint what is used to be - but bear with me, the parish register incumbent used to send a copy of his parish reg to his Bishop and they were transcribed - hence Bishop Transcripts. Someone far better educated on that subject could enhance the understanding I am sure.
However, for all the faults of IGI I thought well lets give it a whirl - to put an overall perspective on the subject matter - so I did. Here's what I found:-
The info you have been given is no doubt on if not is the marque......:-
I searched IGI for Jane Fridge 1737 +/- 5 years for England - no county.
I got:-
Jane Fridge Female Marriage: 22 DEC 1737 Sedbergh, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Richard Troughton
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
So then I search for Richard Troughton 1737 +/- 5 yrs England no county...& got
RICHARD TROUGHTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 22 DEC 1737 Sedbergh, Yorkshire, England
SPOUSE Jane Fridge
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
RICD TROWTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 30 DEC 1738 Holy Trinity, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
SPOUSE : ISAB BEEBY
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Therefore there are two possibles here......and yes I searched for Thomas Nuby - the nearest result was for 1739 in Torver marr to an Elizabeth Jackson.
I know that I have not solved the problem - probably just added to it. I might see if I cant ferret a bit harder on the problem at hand - but it will not be as good as seeing the records themselves.
Sorry, for just adding to the plot and not solving the mystery! PR's are the best though I always thought........
M
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Researching-
Hughes C19th Caerhun/Llanllechid, Cae
Rowland(s) C18th/19th - Llanllyfni, Llanberis, Llanllechid Cae. Wisconsin, Mid West,West Coast States USA
Cardwell C19th - Great & Little Marton, Lancs
Williamson & Lambert C19th Stockport, Ches
Barnicoat C19th and before Cornwall Ches/Lancs C19/20th
and not forgetting.......
Jones - Garn/Dolbenmaen, Llanfihangel y Pennant (Cae), Lleyn Penninsula
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Mair
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Had chance to search again!
Marriage Bonds, Deaneries of Lonsdale Kendal Furness Copeland and Amounderness (Archdeaconry of Richmond), 1734-1738.
Lancaster Marriage Bonds.
Westmorland England
22 Dec 1737 Thomas Nuby, weaver and Jane Fridge of Strickland Roger, both 21 and both of p. Kendal. Bndsmn. James Collinson of town of Sedbergh, mason. At Sedbergh, Windermere or chapel of Grayrigg. Witn.Mark Rumney.
Marriage Bonds, Deaneries of Lonsdale Kendal Furness Copeland and Amounderness (Archdeaconry of Richmond), 1734-1738.
Lancaster Marriage Bonds.
Westmorland England
29 Dec Richard Troughton, of Long Moor Head and Isabel Beeby, of Cattarin, spr., both of p. St. Bees. Bndsmn.Robt. Troughton of W'haven, mariner. At p. church or New chapel in Whitehaven. Witn.Wm. Brisco.
Here no result for Trowton!
Some one somewhere has got wires crossed! Hope you can straighten it out!
M
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Researching-
Hughes C19th Caerhun/Llanllechid, Cae
Rowland(s) C18th/19th - Llanllyfni, Llanberis, Llanllechid Cae. Wisconsin, Mid West,West Coast States USA
Cardwell C19th - Great & Little Marton, Lancs
Williamson & Lambert C19th Stockport, Ches
Barnicoat C19th and before Cornwall Ches/Lancs C19/20th
and not forgetting.......
Jones - Garn/Dolbenmaen, Llanfihangel y Pennant (Cae), Lleyn Penninsula
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shelagh2
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Hi,
Just happened across this post and wondered if there's anything I can look up again at Sedbergh for you please let me know. (I shall be going in about 3 to 4 weeks time) I can check if I was looking at transcripts, or originals. If transcripts I could see if there is someone at Sedbergh FHS who could help you. Or they have a web site where you may find someone to contact (see http://www.sedberghhistory.org/familyhistory.HTM)
Shelagh
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shelagh2
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Hi,
Just happened across this post and wondered if there's anything I can look up again at Sedbergh for you please let me know. (I shall be going in about 3 to 4 weeks time) I can check if I was looking at transcripts, or originals. If transcripts I could see if there is someone at Sedbergh FHS who could help you. Or they have a web site where you may find someone to contact (see http://www.sedberghhistory.org/familyhistory.HTM)
Shelagh
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jillruss
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Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd 1827-1910
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Hi Shelagh,
It's a rum one, is this!
If I've got it right, the Sedbergh PRs are held at the Kendal Records office; the Sedbergh Bishops Transcripts are held at the West Yorks Archives Service in Leeds; the Sedbergh Marriage Licences & Bonds are held by the Lancashire Record Office (was Sedbergh ever in Lancashire!!)
You couldn't make it up, could you?!
Anyway, to be fair, the latest reply I had from the Lancashire Office is that the marriage bonds need to be sorted into alphabetical order and they are organising a volunteer to do just that - over 'the next few weeks' - and that they then hope to be able to solve the puzzle. I hope so. Something has been mistranscribed somewhere along the line!
It's very nice of you to offer to take another look. To be honest, I'm not sure WHAT is actually held at the Sedbergh office, so any light you can throw on the problem would be greatly appreciated.
If I get a reply from the Lancs Office within the next couple of weeks, I'll let you know!
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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shelagh2
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I'll have another look at Sedbergh next time I visit, something to do on a rainy day.
Have you got back to Richard and Jane's names from the birth of a child? or just Richards.?
The Lancashire border isn't too far away, but as far as I know Sedbergh was never in Lancashire - maybe just the closest large city for that part of the West Riding.
Look forward to hearing any news.
Shelagh
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