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Topic: Ag Lab and Farm labourer (Read 2537 times)
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Trees
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On several censuses I have people in the same family listed as Agricultural labourer and Farm labourer for example
Edward DAVIES Head Mar 45 Agricultural labourer Worcester Martley
Sarah DAVIES Wife Mar 60 Worcester Ombersley
Joseph HODGES Son U 21 Farm Labourer Worcester Omberley
Henry HODGES Son U 18 Farm Labourer Worcester Ombersley
Does anyone know what the difference was between the two occupations?
Trees
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celia
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It's only a guess but i have noticed that an Agricultural Laborer is nearly always 40ish +so probably worked on the farms since young.So knows a lot about farming,a farm worker is a lot younger so has a lot to learn about the running of a farm before he can call himself an Agricultural Laborer.Thats just my opinion though 
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kerryb
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I'm also wondering whether it has something to do with the type of work they did. This is also a guess but an Agricultural Labourer might have been more involved in stock and crops etc and a Farm Labourer doing general work such as ditch clearing, hedgelaying etc a little less to do with Agriculture.
Trees what an interesting question!!
Kerry
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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Trees
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Thank you both it really makes me wonder
By the way in the example the Hodges were Mary's sons by a previous marriage hence the different surname.
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Vasquez109
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It's only a guess but i have noticed that an Agricultural Laborer is nearly always 40ish +so probably worked on the farms since young.So knows a lot about farming,a farm worker is a lot younger so has a lot to learn about the running of a farm before he can call himself an Agricultural Laborer.Thats just my opinion though Celia
That makes sense! But ive got Agricultural Labourers in my family aged 17/18.
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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Trees
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That is an interesting link Stan but although it differentiates between Farm servants and farm labourers I'm still unsure about the difference between Ag labs and farm labourers as you can see neither in the example I quote lived at the farm. i think the article is pointing to regional variations so Celia's idea could still be valid
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Vasquez109
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I agree. But as you can see in the pic, the young Ag Labourers are 19 and 22. But generally you do see a lot more "senior" ones than young uns!
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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Vasquez109
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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stanmapstone
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My answers only refer to England and Wales
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It looks as though, as far as the Census authorities were concerned the terms mean the same thing.
From the General Report for the 1881 Census
6. Agricultural Class: Agricultural Labourers.
....the returns of agricultural labourers were probably more complete in 1881 than on any previous occasion.....there was thus a decline of some 91,550, or nearly 10 per cent in this class of labourers. There was also a slight decline in another group of persons who may be regarded as an upper kind of farm labourers, namely, the sons, grandsons, and nephews of farmers, returned as living in the farmhouse.....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ps/
Stan
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Trees
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Once again I am indebted to you Stan you always seem to be able to find a relevant and interesting article well done
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Vasquez109
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One thing is for certain! Life on the farms in the 19th century, must have been really hard. Surprises me how they lived to such an age. Some of my relatives were Ag. Labourers in their 60's and 70's!
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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kerryb
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No retirement pensions in those days and retirements in the sun. They just had to keep working where they could until they dropped dead or couldn't work, and became a pauper and either depended on the family to look after them if they could afford it or the workhouse.
Am I glad I live today!!!
Kerry
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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Trees
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What also surprises me is how many old ladies I have found as Ag labs too I suppose the term covered asuch a wide variety of jobs. It also shows people were prepared to work rather than end their days in the dreaded workhouse. it also makes me reflect on the present situation the work was there if people were seriously wanting to work now where are the factory sweepers and tea boys and pot men in inns and field labourers in other words jobs for the unskilled but willing? fair play I notice our local supermarket employs a few young men collecting the trolleys together who would find it hard to get work they are great always cheerful and boy do they work hard
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