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laterunner
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(This is mainly part of a letter from Kate probably my great aunt-sister to my grandfather John Armstrong Alexander.)
Written from 47 Tavistock St. Bedford. 6/7/1900 To Alice.
(( )) = My additions
Capt. Thomas Armstrong (Am) supposed to be a younger brother of Sir Thomas Am. (Judge Jeffries victim) settled in Tipperary, at the old Castle of Farney Bridge, near Thurles, Co.Tipperary.(Tipp.) soon after the battle of Worchester (some say in 1660) He was a Capt. Of a troop of horse attached to the Tipperary Militia in 1688.
He married Alice dr.of Sir Thomas Deane of Clare Co. Suffolk.
His eldest son John married (M) Julianna, dr, of Robert Carew Esq. of Ballyboro Co. Wexford, (( Born 1640? D. 1706/7))
from him came the A’s of Mount Heaton King’s County, now represented by Mr. Macdonnell Am. Co. Clare.
Capt.Thomas Am’s 2nd son, Thomas, B. (1671) of Meanliffe (now Moyaliff, Co. Tipp., M. Mary dr. of Robert Carew Esq of Ballinamona Co. Wexford;
he had 7 sons & 6 drs., from his eldest son came the Am’s
of Meanliffe Hall, Thurles Co. Tipp. Thomas Am. was High Sheriff of Tipp. In the reign of Queen Anne (( 1702- 1714)) He died in 1747. One of his sons must (( )) have been the
Rev. Robert Carew Am. ((B. 1709?)) for 30 yrs Curate & for 27 yrs Rector of ((Shinrone or Shinrose)) in Kings Co., he was blind for some yrs. Before his death, owing to have been struck by lightning, but took the services at church every Sun. from memory, he died 18/1/1790 aged 80 yrs.
He M. Jane dr. of Anthony Atkinson Esq. of Congart ( this A. Atkinson M. in 1709 Mary dr. of Admiral John Guy celebrated as having ‘’ relieved Derry, raising the boom’’ .
Jane A. (Nee Atkinson)) died 23/1/1763.
Rev. Robert Carew Am. & Jane had 4 sons. Thomas M Francis Wheller- 1771 of Ballywire, Tipp.
John born in 1751 ((Twins ??)) ,
Guy ((M. Margaret Williams ??)) & Anthony (( Had Lancelot Carew ??)),
also 4 dr’s. Mary M. to Hugh Wray Esq. of Birr; Mrs Smyth: Mrs Ellard( M. to a clergyman); Alicia D. unmarried )
Thomas had 3 sons Thomas, Frank & John.
The descendants of Thomas & John who both married miss Massey’s, & are in Canada & the U.S. their father having been extravagant & his brother John was impoverished by having rashly signed his name to a promissory bill for him.(( ?? ))
Frank Am. Was an officer in the Army & served throughout the Peninsular War (( 1808-14)) without a wound. He settled in Jersey & M. as late as 1874. He was living, & still able to walk out with the dogs. (( of little interest->>))
( Uncle Nicholas met a grandson of his in Athens, by the name of de Quetteville, who stayed once at Albury, & on another occasion was there for a day with his mother) This M. de Quetteville died early from consumption & sight of the connection was lost again; escapt((?)) to hear, incidentally though another relation in 1874 of old Capt. T.Armstrong still being alive & active. He was one of Uncle Nicholas’s heroes, in his boyish days.
John Am. ( Son of Robert C. & Jane Am.) M. Francis dr. of Thomas Doolan of Portumna, Galway. Whose wife was Anna Maria Tidd.
Francis Doolan was only 16 on her marriage with J. Am. In 1773 She died in 1844 aged 87. B. 1864.her husband John.Am. died Dec. 1826 age 75 . B.1751
They left many sons. 1) Robert, who M. badly, for the 2nd time, he left a family & has descendents, but they have quite fallen from the position that their grandfather was born in, & which, had he been steady, he would, have been well continued in. 2) Thomas ( our grandfather ((To Kate & J.A.A. my g.father )) ) was an excellent man; he was at the battle of Talavern; but caught a fever directly afterwards & was compelled in consequence of it’s effect upon his health, to leave the army: he died, before his time. Of fever, he M.15/1/1856. Catherinne Carroll of a good Co. Galway family. His money went in the failure of a bank. 3) Nicholas was the youngest but one of J.Am’s large family.
(( 5 Carroll’s - Ed. X 2, Pat. x 2 & Thomas of Cool & Ballyglass,
Ahascroghmore in Ballincloon. A lot more in –Griffiths. Kate continues->>))
Therefore also , Richard, Guy, Edward, William!!!!, Henry, (who died young): Guy Am.
Was a ‘’man among men’’ (as you know we heard much of him from mother. He M. Jane dr. of his uncle Guy. They had no family. Mr. Williams mother was sister of this Jane.
N.B. I have been looking up the various surnames of the families with whom the Am.’s
Intermarried & find them all mentioned in O.Harts ‘’Irish Pedigrees’’ (( Can’t find it anywhere)) which I got a loan of. I shall now endeavour to have the Alexander side of the family. You know they were connected with the Carrolls.
Kate.
The above sketch (( She continues->)) is copied almost word for word from that which Cousin Francis sent me . Kate.
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Alexander's. & Armstrong's Ireland
Bloomfield's as well in UKI'm looking for the
Alexanders of Galway. Ballinasloe & elsewhere, any others connected with
William A. of Dublin B.30/06/1826.D7 or 17/01/1892.
His Wife Frances Geraldine (Armstrong) B.Loughrea? 10/12/1824?5 D.05/08/1882.
William's father was Thomas who married Ann Carroll before ? 1823
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enfield
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I am familiar with the Armstrongs of Mealiffe (Never seen it spelled Meanliffe) now spelt Moyaliffe. They dwindled away after Capt Kemmis from Wicklow married an Armstrong Lady and the male line died out. The last of the Armstrongs belongings were removed about 8 years ago when Moyaliffe House was sold to John Stakelum. Three truckloads of their stuff went to South Africa where the last of the Armstrongs now live except the ones in Florida.
Captain William Pat Armstrong, son of Beresford Armstrong was Killed in Arras in 1917 when he was with the British Army, 10th Huzzars.
Regards.
Tom.
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jb.noble
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Hi Laterunner and thanks for posting the letter from "Aunt Kate".
I am descended from one of the 2 Sons of Thomas Armstrong - who both married Miss Massey's - and moved to Canada. I am interested in sharing what I know about the family with you and would dearly love to have a copy of the letter.
The 2 Brothers came to Canada as part of an Irish settlement program run by a Canadian MP named Peter Robinson. Not Thomas, but Robert Carew Armstrong and wife Margaret Anne Massey came with around 500 settlers in 1823 to the area that became the Canadian Capital, Ottawa. Brother John and wife Eliza Massey came in 1825 with some 2,500 settlers. They settled an area about 150 miles away which later became Peterborough, in honour of the MP who organized the settlement.
Both families prospered and I know of at least one other cousin who joined them later as Robert's daughter Frances married a second Robert Carew Armstrong.
Can you let me know if you are still an active rootschat member?
Best regards,
John.
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enfield
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old Castle of Farney Bridge, near Thurles, Co.Tipperary.(Tipp.) is called Farney Castle and Cyril Cullen ( a nice guy) owns it now. Its called Farney because the Farney river is beside it and Farney means elder trees. Lots of Irish rivers are named after flora. The Castle is in between Holycross and Ballycahill. I have been in it a few times. Cyril's daughters sing an play Harps and play all over the world.
Have a look at it here;
http://www.tipp.ie/placesofinterest/farney.htm
Regards.
Tom.
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Doris L C
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Hi John
I think we may be cousins. In doing some research for an upcoming trip to Ireland, I came across your post regarding Robert Carew Armstrong and Margaret Ann. I had always wondered why and when my ancestors came to Canada. Robert's granddaughter, Harriet was my great grandmother. She married George Ryan and settled in the Vancouver area many years later. Their daughter was my grandmother who called two countries home -- Canada and the U.S. I was born in California and after 76 years am still here.
Thanks for the valuable information which I will soon share with my brother and cousins. My grandmother always talked about her ancestor, Lord Massy, who lived in Ireland but never talked about the Armstrong family.
Doris
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jb.noble
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Hi Doris. It is a pleasure to meet you. I've been quite lucky in filling out our Armstrong / Massy tree with help from Laterunner - who started this excellent post - and 2 other descendants I found through the Internet. Together, we can probably help you fill out your ancestor tree and maybe even suggest some area you'll want to visit in Ireland.
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Doris L C
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Thanks so much for responding to my post. I'm unable to E-mail you at this time because your E-address has been blocked by this web site. I have a ton of questions but will start with this: How are you related to the Armstrong/Massy family? And, do you reside in Canada?
Our line is pretty limited as Harriet Armstrong (my gr. grandmother) had only one child who lived to adulthood. That was my grandmother Frances (Fanny) Ryan who had 2 children who lived to adulthood -- my mother Rita and her sister Beatrice (Birdie).
The chance finding of you and this web site was a result of my search for Suir Castle. While visiting Ireland 2 years ago I came across a book that chronicles the whole history of the Massy family from the origins in France to modern times. That's where I discovered the Suir Castle.
I'm sure you're acquainted with the book: "If Those Trees Could Speak." by Frank Tracy. Apparently, the Suir Castle no longer exists. However, I would like to at least see the area upon which it stood.
I would provide my E-mail address, but it would probably be removed. So in the meantime, I'll use this site to communicate.
Once again, thanks so very much for the information.
Doris
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jb.noble
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Hi Doris. If I understand correctly, we're supposed to use Private Massaging, but we're not allowed to use Private Messaging since you are a new member and don't have 3 posts to your credit. That's not very helpful! 
However, this is my 3rd post and I see 2 from you. If you reply again, that makes 3 for you and we can try out this fabulous PM to share our email addresses and be welcomed back to the 21st century technology-wise.
Some info for now:
Yes, I am Canadian. Robert Carew and Margaret Ann (Massy) Armstrong's second daughter was Frances Ann Armstrong. She married a second Robert Carew Armstrong (certainly a cousin, but precise relation is not known) and moved to McGillivray Township, Middlesex County, North of London Ontario. One of their daughters, Eleanor Armstrong, married Matthew Varley and they are my GG Grandparents.
Actually, I understand Suir Castle still exists and is now owned by an organic farmer. I found him on a search of the internet as well, I believe, he contacted one of our cousins asking for information about the family. I understand he is researching all the families previously associated with the home (I don't think it is a "Castle" in the traditional sense).
I just received the Frank Tracy book last week and enjoyed it tremendously. Our connection to the family didn't get much press as we are descended from the 1st Baron through the eldest son of his second marriage - since we we were outside of the direct peerage we didn't warrant much mention in the book. However, I have lots to share if we ever manage to make this email thing work!
John.
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Doris L C
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Hi John,
Thanks for the additional information. As my enthusiasm grows regarding this family search, my household chores continue to pile up. I seem to be glued to my laptop.
After reading your message I rummaged through some papers and letters that had belonged to my mother. Among them is a lengthy letter signed Vina. It was from this letter that my mother and I learned the history of the Massy and Armstrong families. It looks like Robert Carew married twice and produced 10 children, which includes 2 sons by the first wife. It was from these sons that my g.grandmother Harriet received an inheritance. Harriet was the 3rd daughter from the 2nd marriage.
Have you visited Farney Castle or Suir Castle? We will only have one day to visit these places as we will be passengers on a cruise ship that will stop at Cobn (Cork) harbor. I'm trying to reserve a car, but I'm afraid our ages will be a problem. I'm 76, and my traveling companion is 80.
This trip will be a sampling, and on another trip I shall plan to stay at least a week. There is something magic about walking on the ground that our ancestors walked upon hundreds of years ago.
Thanks again for your valuable information.
Doris
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Katherine Zeta
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Hi All,
My name is Beresford Armstrong, my G grandfather was Marcus Beresford Armstrong Capt. of Moyaliffe Castle, His daughter Cornelia Ione Kathleen Beresford-Armstrong married Sir William Lindsay Everard, MP JP of Ratcliffe-on-the-Wreeke Leicestershire, where he owned an airdrome,
Their son Patrick Anthoney William Beresford Armstrong Everard was my father, but he never married, not even my mother.
I would love to find out more about my ancestors out there. It sounds as if some of you are already in contact. I know nothing about the South Africa lot or the USA Florida crowd, any help would be fantastic.
I live on the south coast of England Pevensey Bay Sussex. I know they produced either men of the cloth or Army officers.
I would love to go back as far as possible, with this and will be delighted if any help is there.
Will visit Ireland again to see people and places, anything welcome. Pictures, photos, ect.
my given name is Diana Katherine Beresford-Everard- Bell 
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jb.noble
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Hi Katherine. If you are an Armstrong from Mealiffe / Moyaliffe, I am sure we are related.
I don't know if you have seen it, but Debrett's Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (ed. 22; 1838) has a nice write-up on Beresford. It's available on-line at http://books.google.com/books?id=Ru4UAAAAQAAJ See pages 712 / 713 or paste the following link and you'll go direct to the Beresford page:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ru4UAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA713&dq=beresford+armstrong&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA712,M1
The page begins with info on John Horsley-Beresford, current (in 1838) Baron Decries, of Decies, co. Waterford, but the fine print contains details around his lineage. Most importantly, it mentions Catherine-Eleanor Beresford's marriage 11 Nov 1791 to Rev William Armstrong of Mealiffe. I suspect that is your direct lineage. Let me know what you think.
I can give you my email address, but Rootschat will only allow me to do so via private messaging and you need 2 more posts before I can send you that message. So, by necessity, we'll have to trade a couple more posts here.
John.
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enfield
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Hello Kathleen.
I am sure you know that all the papers that came out of Moyaliffe house was sent to the University of Limerick for indexing and as far as I know they have not even looked at the. This happened about 6 years ago when the house was sold to John Stakelum. My main interest is William (Pat) Armstong who was killed in action in Arras in 1917 while he was with the 10th Hussars.
Regards.
Tom.
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