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Topic: William Willcox b 1861 Woolsthorpe (Read 179 times)
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Jean Price
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Hello All,
This William emigrated to NZ about 1880, and married into my Cox Familr, ie Emily Frances Cox.
I have two sets of parents for him, and would like to establish the correct set.
I have from family sources that he was a child of William Willcox, gardener, and Sarah Remmington. I like this as one of his children in NZ had Remmington as a second name.
Another source, also in NZ, has his parents as William Willcox, gardener, and Hannah.
Are Hannah and Sarah the same?
Who are his parents in 1871?
Regards,
Jean
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No match on plain William - but this may be relevant ...
1871 - RG10/3357; Folio: 66; Page: 9; - Woolsthorpe
Main Road
Charles Rickett 33 Head Jorneyman Carpenter
Mary Rickett 29 Wife Woolsthorpe
John William Willcox 10 son Woolsthorpe
Lucy Ann Rickett 8 dau do
Sarah Rickett 6 dau do
Elizabeth Rickett 5 dau do
Frederick Alfred Rickett 3 son do
Mary Rickett 10 months dau do
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Marriages Jun 1861
Ricketts Charles Grantham Vol 7a Page 741 to Willcox Mary
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Looks like John William was illegitimate - I'll have a further look in 1861 for the couples you originally mention ..
1861 - RG9/2349; Folio: 75; Page: 19 - Woolsthorpe
Wellborns Yard
John Wilcox 55 Head Ag Lab Leicestershire
Elizabeth Wilcox 32 dau unamrried Dressmaker Woolsthorpe
Mary Wilcox 19 dau unmarried Housekeeper do
Richard Wilcox 15 son do
John William Wilcox 1 Mo Grandson do
I think they are different chaps ...
Births Mar 1861
WILLCOX John William Grantham Vol 7a Page 391
Births Sep 1861
WILLCOX William Grantham Vol 7a Page 411
so if I'm right, your William wont be on the 1861 ....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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In 1861, there is a William and Sarah in Woolsthorpe, an Ag Lab - no son William ( could have arrived after the census I guess).
No William and Hannah ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Had a good dig into 1871 .... there are 3 or 4 Wil(l)cox families in the area, but no correct combination of names - and no plain William b1861-ish...
You might like to try for that Birth Cert ?
This is the only William Wil(l)cox marriage in the relevant RD - guess you've seen it ?
Marriages Sep 1851
Rimington Sarah Grantham Vol 14 Page 545 to Wilcox William
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Hello Newfy,
Many thanks for your efforts.
Yes, I am sure that the William birth registered 1861, Grantham 7a 411 is the one I am looking for.
And No, I hadn't found that marriage - I obviously hadn't thought of all the different spellings for Remmington/Rimington, etc. But thanks to you I can now see it.
And I am happy that this is the correct marriage as the 5th child born to William junior in NZ was named Arthur Remington Willcox. Where else would they have found this name apart from his mother's maiden name?
I know we are never to assume any thing, but in this case I think it is okay.
Regards,
Jean
PS. Can you find this family in 1871 census? I have looked on Free Census but no luck. As William senior was a professional gardener, ( and William junior when he arrived in NZ), the family may have moved out of the Lincolnshire area . Thank you
PPS. Apparently William jnr arrived in NZ about 1880, which would make him 14 years old when he travelled. That is a little bit too young to be travelling by oneself. Perhaps I should also look for the parents coming here. Sorry to suddenly sound so vague. I know his wife's family almost inside out, and thought it would be a good idea to flesh out the other side, as it were.
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Sorry, couldnt tease them out in 1871 .... so far -
UPDATE: see next post ...
PS. They are here in 1861 - RG9/2349; Folio: 74; Page: 17 - Woolsthorpe
Just realised that William is an Ag Lab at this stage - not a Gardener.
partial transcription - kids ages support the marriage date ..
William Wilcox 29 Head Ag Lab Woolsthorpe
Sarah Wilcox 33 Wife Lincs, Denton
Elizabeth Wilcox 9
John Wilcox 7
Harriett Wilcox 4
Hannah Wilcox 2 Mo
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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ah-ha, further reinforcement ... and William jnr finally revealed ...
found them as Willson in 1871, still in Woolsthorpe !
1871 - RG10/3357; Folio: 64; Page: 6 - Woolsthorpe
Towns end Road ?
William Willson/Wilcox 39 Head Waggoner Woolsthorpe
Sarah Willson 43 Wife Denton
Hannah Willson 11 dau Woolsthorpe
William Willson 9 son do
Sarah Ann Willson 5 dau do
Charles Remington Willson 2 son do
Daughter Harriet in service elsewhere ...
so the Remington name confirms both the marriage and also the later use of the name you have seen .... not sure about the 'Gardener' occupation - lets try 1881 ..
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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still a Waggoner in 1881
RG11/3230; Folio: 70; Page: 13 - Woolsthorpe
Village Street
William Wilcox 49 Head Waggoner / Ag Lab Woolsthorpe
Sarah Wilcox 55 Wife Denton
Charles Wilcox 12 son Woolsthorpe
cant see William jnr - supports the NZ arrival date you have I guess ?
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Looking back for the Rimingtons ..
1851 - HO107/2102; Folio: 460; Page: 27 - Denton
Elizabeth Rimington 59 Widow Head Pauper (Ag Lab's widow) Lincs, Little Ponton
Sarah Rimington 23 dau Dressmaker Denton
Robert Rimington 19 son Ag Lab do
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1841 - now spelled Remington ... there are over 20 with variant names in the parish ..
HO107/617/7; Denton; District: 1; Folio: 6; Page: 6
All born in County
Wm Remington 50 Ag Lab
Eliz Remington 45
Sarah Remington 13
Char Remington 12
Robt Remington 9
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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and back to the Wil(l)cox in 1841 ...
HO107/624/18; Woolsthorpe; District: 15; Folio: 13; Page: 26
Welborne / Melbourn Yard ?
All but John snr born in Lincs
John Wilcox 36 Ag Lab Not Born In County
Ann Wilcox 40
Elizabeth Wilcox 13
William Wilcox 9
John Wilcox 6
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Hello Newfy,
Thank you very much again for all your searching.
I think William snr being a gardener may be a red herring, as the same source says his wife is Hannah.
William jnr was definitely a gardener, and collected and described plants for at least one notable NZ botanist, Leonard Cockayne. He worked at several of the government gardens around NZ - we now call them botannical gardens.
Finding the family in the different census also confirmed the childrens' names being handed down.
I will now start seriously searching at my end for his arrival in New Zealand.
Thank you for all the work you do for all Rootschatters.
Jean
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