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Topic: "Archers Farm" - Aldenham - Help Please. (Read 620 times)
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kayfr
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi can anybody help me please in finding out whether there was a farm called Archers in Aldenham. I ordered my great grandfather's birth certificate and it says that he was born in 1859 at Archer's Farm, Aldenham. I have tried looking on google, looking at old maps and even asking people who have lived in Aldenham all their lives if anybody has actually heard of the place but I cannot find it anywhere. If anybody has any suggestions on where I could look next it would be gratefully received.
Many thanks in advance.
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Rumney, Kentish, Norwood, Larkin, Hoare, Hertfordshire
Yarnold, Farwell, Worcestershire
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carol8353
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Hi Kayfr
I don't suppose the family still lived there 2 years later when the 1861 census was taken?
I've just looked at the description of each of the 4 enumeration districts in Aldenham in 1861 and did not come across Archers Farm 
I'll trawl through the censuses later to see if it comes to light then.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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Hello Kayfr
What is the family's name? Do you have them in 1861?
Would you like one of us to look for them?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Rick
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Hi Kay
These are the only RUMNEYS in Aldenham in 1861. Addresses in country areas are a bit sparse and in this case, all that is given is "Round Bush" Aldenham. There is a pub in the village called the Round Bush, but areas around a local landmark often took the landmark's name and this family is definitely not living at the pub. (Not unless half the village lived there!)
RG9/832 F6 P5
Round Bush
Aldenham
Herts
RUMNEY
Joseph, Head, Married, 39, Farm Labourer, b Hatfield
Anna, Wife, 36, b Sandridge
Wm. Son, 19, Farm Labourer, b Shenley
George, Son, 14, Labourer's boy, b Aldenham
Ann, Dau, 11, Scholar, b ditto
Arthur, Son, 9, Scholar, b ditto
Walter, Son, 3, Scholar, b ditto
Charles, Son, 1, b ditto
Herts Parish Registers have been deposited at HALS.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24217.0.html
I have checked the BVRI and have found the following.
Joseph RUMNEY to Hannah EDMUNDS
Married - 11 Oct 1840 - Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire
Husband's Father: John RUMNEY
Wife's Father: William EDMUNDS
Wheathampstead is very close to Sandridge where Anna/Hannah was born. The marriage date would also fit with the birth of the eldest son William. I couldn't find a baptism for Joseph Senior but I did find the following baptisms for the children of Joseph and Hannah. All at Aldenham.
James - 3 Mar 1844
George - 3 May 1846
George Joseph - 1 Aug 1847
Ann Elizabeth - 7 Oct 1849
Arthur - 18 Jan 1852
Lavinia - 13 Aug 1854
Walter John - 21 Sep 1856
Charles Henry - 19 Jul 1859
Joseph Thomas - 27 Apr 1862
Rick 
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Rick
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Small world! 
Here they are in 1851. Joseph age is definitely given as 22. This would make him 12 when he married, so I think that the enumerator must have misheard or just made a mistake.
HO107/1714 Folios 13 & 14 Pages 19 & 20
Aldenham
Herts
ROMNEY(sic)
Joseph, Head, Married, 22, Ag Lab, b Hatfield
Hannah, Wife, 26, b Sandridge
Thomas, Son, 10, Scholar, b Wheathampstead
William, Son,9, Scholar, b Shenley
James, Son, 7, Scholar, b Aldenham
George, Son, 3, b Aldenham
Ann, Daugher, 1, b Aldenham
And in 41. The 1841 census does not give relationships within families, marital status or exact place of birth. It only indicates whether or not someone was born in the census county. Adult ages are often rounded down to nearest 5.
HO107/442/8 -9
Gustard Wood Common
Wheathampstead
Herts
All born in Herts.
EDMONDS Elizabeth, 50, Lace Maker
RUMLEY (sic) Joseph, 20, Ag Lab
RUMLEY (sic) Hannah, 20
RUMLEY (sic) Thomas, 6 months.
They were clearly both very young when they married and it would probably be well worthwhile ordering their marriage certificate if you do not already have it. It would be very interesting indeed to see how old they told the vicar they were!
Dec Quarter 1840
St. Albans Registration District. Volume 6 Page 779
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Rick
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Rick
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Kay
I have found something interesting amongst the Herts Removal Orders. It is for an Elizabeth EDMONDS.
You will recall that an Elizabeth EDMONDS was living with Hannah & Joseph in 1841. As Hannah's maiden name was EDMUNDS, I had rather assumed that she may have been Hannah's mother. Always dangerous with the 41 to assume anything though!
Here is the Removal Order entry. If you quote this reference to HALS, they will give you a photocopy of the original order. This could well contain useful biographical information.
EDMONDS Elizabeth - Ref: D/P90/13/11
15th March 1815
FROM: St Albans (Abbey) TO Sandridge.
Singlewoman, pregant.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24217.0.html
This poor lady was clearly removed to her home parish of Sandridge before her baby was born. The parish of St Albans Abbey did not then have to pick up the tab for her confinement and the care of her child.
This could well be the baptism of this child from the BVRI.
EDMONDS Mary - Baptized 4 Jun 1815, Sandridge, Herts
Mother: Elizabeth EDMONDS
Something to think about certainly. If this lady isn't Hannah's mother then she could well be a member of her extended family in Sandridge/Wheathampstead which after all were and still are, very small places.
Rick
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