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GazT
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Hi,
can anyone help me with anything on Thomas Pryn and Elizabeth Perry, married in Bodmin in 1849?
They soon after emigrated to Melbourne, Australia, where their son William is listed as being born 1852. Thomas, born circa 1827, died 1907 aged 80.
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Thomas Pryn
Elizabeth Perry
Sept qtr 1849
Bodmin
Volume 9 page 45
will see if I can find anything else
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Thanks.
I saw that this morning, but can't seem to see any Parish records for Bodmin or anything on possible parents yet.
Appreciate your help.
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GazT
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Wonderful. Thanks.
The St Breock Thomas looks like the one to start with. The 1827 date matches his death certificate at least.
I see that both St Breock and St Wynn are similarly close to Bodmin, so there was probably a fair bit of movement between the three.
Appreciate your help greatly.
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GazT
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Hi Daisy May.
I also just realised that the name Francis is a recurring theme among the Pryns of Australia: One of Thomas' sons, born 1862, was Frank.
Two of his grandchildren, both sons of Frank, were George Francis and Francis Thomas. And a great-grandson was a Jonathon Francis.
So it looks like the Elizabeth you identified might very well be the right one. Or am I clutching at straws?
Again, really appreciate the time and effort you put in. Many Thanks.
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Valda
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Births Dec 1849
PRYN John Perry Bodmin 9 49
The marriage certificate for Thomas and Elizabeth would confirm their father's names and occupations and perhaps Thomas and Elizabeth's ages. Was Elizabeth the wife of Thomas really 13 years older than him? If so she would have been 48 when Frank was born in 1862 and 55 when Sarah was born in 1869.
Index to Registers of Assisted British Immigrants 1839-1871
Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page
PRYNN ELIZABETH 22 MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 82
PRYNN JENIFER 23 MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 82
PRYNN JOHN I MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 82
PRYNN THOMAS 25 MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 82
PRYNN THOMAS 22 MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 82
Regards
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GazT
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A very good point Valda, and one I'd considered.
I'm very new at this. How do I go about getting a Cornish marriage certificate?
Also, it strikes me that if the folk on the Reliance are my Pryns, the age difference between either Thomas and Elizabeth do not match with the parish records from Daisy May. Thomas' death certificate indicates he was 21 when he got married, so he is likely the second Thomas listed.
The certificate also does not mention a son John (though I realise how misleading they can be) so perhaps John is the son of Thomas, 25, and Jennifer. It also appears that all my Pryn children were born in Australia.
it's intriguing.
Thanks for your help
Gaz
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Valda
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You can order the marriage certificate directly from the General Registry Office online.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
There are no Thomas Pryn (ne) marriages to a Jennifer in the English civil registration not just Cornwall (1st July 1837-1850) and there is no evidence from the index that the other two Pryns onboard the Reliance were actually married and not two single people - who were not necessarily related to Thomas and Elizabeth or even to each other.
The actual registers themselves will give this further information.
'The registers contain the nominal and disposal lists of assisted immigrants arriving in Victoria from the UK. The nominal list usually gives details of each immigrant's name, age, occupation, religion, native place, and whether he or she could read or write. The disposal list details what happened to the assisted immigrant after arrival: for example, the name and address of the migrant's new employer, how long he or she had to work for them, the wages, whether this included rations, and the date the migrant left the depot.'
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide050/PROVguide050.jsp
You need to contact Victoria Public Record Office to obtain further details.
John Perry Pryn may not have survived long and been forgotten by the time his father's death was registered (by whom)?
'It also appears that all my Pryn children were born in Australia.'
Assumptions are not proof. At this point you have evidence that this may be an incorrect statement. Either the Reliance passenger records and or John Perry Pryn's birth certificate may prove otherwise.
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Valda
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GazT
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Again, Thanks Valda.
The wedding certificate has been ordered.
I also take your point about assumptions, I only use them as a starting point for investigation, trying to work from what seem the most obvious clues, at first.
I also found a couple of more Pryns aboard the Reliance today, though with slightly different spelling:
PRYN JANE 64 MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 87
PRYN WILLM - MAR 1850 RELIANCE 5 88
and, without assuming too much, Jane could be, perhaps, Thomas' mother.
best wishes
Gaz
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PRYNN, Jinepher
Father:Lightfoot John
Mother:Johns Phillipa
Age at Death:62
Death Place:W Melb
Reg Year:1887 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:3219
English marriage
Marriages Mar 1849
Lightfoot Jennifer St Columb 9 74
Pryn William St Columb St 9 74
PRYNN, Elizabeth Brabin
Father:William
Mother:Jenipher
Event Place:Collingwood
Reg Year:1852 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:20674 Parish:St Marks Collingwood, CofE
PRYNN, Elizabeth
Father:Perry William
Mother:U
Age at Death:58
Death Place:Blackwood
Reg Year:1888 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:432
What parents’ names are given on Thomas' death in 1907?
Unknown Pryn death - is he another brother to Thomas?
PRYNN, John
Father:Thomas
Mother:Howett Jane
Age at Death:32
Birthplace:Corn
Reg Year:1863 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1023
PRYNN, John
Marriage
ARTHUR, Ann
Reg Year:1854 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1110
PRYNN, John Arthur
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Event Place:Geelong
Reg Year:1855 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:1918
PRYNN, John Arthur
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:5
Birthplace:Gee
Reg Year:1860 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7214
PRYNN, William
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Event Place:C'Wood
Reg Year:1857 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:13007
PRYNN, William
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:3
Birthplace:Col
Reg Year:1860 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7666
PRYNN, Ann Jane
Father:John
Mother:Arthur Ann
Age at Death:17
Birthplace:Unknown
Reg Year:1877 Reg State:Victoria
Ref Number:7988
Regards
Valda
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GazT
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Wow! That's very impressive, and that's an understatement.
If it's not rude (or dumb) to ask, how do you get your hands on that material so efficiently? Perhaps if I could do it, I wouldn't feel (or be) such a burden on folk like you.
Thomas' death certificate, signed by his son Frank, lists as parents: "unknown" and says he was married at 27, in England, to Elizabeth Perry.
At the VPRO there was also a note of a Jane Pryn, marrying a Richard Howarth in Blackwood, Victoria, in 1854. No mention of any children to them, nor mention of her parents.
Thomas and Elizabeth had five children born in Blackwood between 1858 and 1869.
I hadn't been able to find a death certificate for Elizabeth Pryn(n), but I'd better look harder given the 1888 reference. I must have been doing something wrong - again.
Thanks so much for your hard work. I'm incredibly impressed.
GazT
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Valda
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This is a possibility for Jennifer Lightfoot's parents - I can't find her on the 1841 census, but St Breock registers in St Columb registration district.
HO107 149/5 folio 9
Burlorn St Breock Cornwall
John Lightfoot 50 born Cornwall Ag lab
Phillippa Lightfoot 45 Born Cornwall
John Lightfoot 15 born Cornwall
Jane Lightfoot 74 Born Cornwall
Two households away are the family of Richard and Maria Lightfoot. On the 1851 census they have a daughter called Jennifer (Jane on the 1841 census).
You can find St Breock and Bodmin on Google map facilities.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&tab=wl&q=
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Valda
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Thanks.
Have purchased three certificates.
1: Elizabeth Pryn. Died.24 February 1888 of typhoid fever aged 58.
Father, William Perry, farmer. Mother unknown.
Informant, William Byres, son-in-law (married Annie Pryn in 1878)
Born: St Mabyn Cornwall. 37 years in the colony of Victoria.
Married, Cornwall, at age of 21 years, to Thomas Pryn.
Children: John, dead; William, dead; Mary Jane, 35, Thomas, dead; Elizabeth, 30; Annie, 27; Frank, 25; Grace, 22; Sarah, 18.
2: Jane Pryn wed Richard Howorth.
Widow since 8 july, 1842. Three living children, two dead from former marraige.
Born St Mabyn, Cornwall
Housewife, aged 65. Richard, 56.
Father: William Arthur, labourer. Mother Elizabeth (Mubard???)
3: Jane Howarth died 23 January 1873.
Father: William Arthur
Born: England, 28years in Victoria.
Husband: Richard Howarth. No issue.
A very successful search thanks to you.
GazT
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