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Topic: Marriage John PENROSE - Philippa POLGLASE (Read 1905 times)
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deb usa
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Hi Guys 
I'm back .... Had a great time in South Carolina, spent an extra few days there.
Is there more going on in the search ...is everyone PMing each other? 
I will be back hunting with you all asap.....
Deb
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Hi Deb,
Glad you had a great time, my turn to not be about much till next week. I had no joy at all with John PENROSE. Couldn't find anyone looking anything like him pre 1881 when he is found with Philippa. No marriage. Looks like there is a story waiting here somewhere. Will leave you to it Deb. Think if we solve this one it will be up there with your Cornish Mystery
No help with John PENROSE but one little item of interest has turned up ....It appears young Stephen POLGLASE Drowned 
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad/cornwall/1843/misc/aug.html
Cheers Kris 
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I have also tried to find John in the censuses prior to his marriage but with no luck. I wonder whether his mother remarried when he was young and he is appearing under a stepfather's name in the censuses?
Trouble is his age and date of birth are rather vague! On the other hand his occupation is quite distinctive.
Will give it some more thought.
Barbara
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Hi everyone
Okay , I have had to reread this post several times as I have forgotten everything ...that's what happens when you hit 44, 
Okay ... I am wondering why no one was excited about my John Penrose ...the 'travelling musician' that I found in 1871...i know the dates are off etc ...but Philippa supposedly ran off with a travelling minstrel.... it seems like they have fibbed about everything else so maybe my John, the musician , may be the right one ...LOL
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Hi Brissygal
Back hunting !
re: Philippa Polglase
I have found this:
births:
Phillippa Polglase sept q 1840 Helston vol 9 pg 99 ( I assume this is your rellie)
Philllipa Polglase jun q 1843 Helston vol 9 pg 108
you said in a previous post that your Philippa was b 1840 and christened 1843.
I found another death of Philippa Polgl_se june q 1843 Helston (see previous post) .... do you think philippa (1840) may have died in 1843 and Philippa (b 1843) is your Philippa?
so this is what I am thinking:
philippa # 1: b 1833 d 1835
Philippa # 2: b 1840 In 1841 census she is 11months... maybe she died in 1843(june q , see above)
Then Philllipa # 3 is born same quarter as Philippa # 2 dies. Maybe it is Philippa #3 who was christened Aug 1843 .
what do you think?
I am confusing myself here LOL
okay back to the search ...
deb
PS: I looked on IGI and I see submitted info re: Philippa Jane Polglase...it says
Christened 17 June 1833 Breage
Burial 24 March 1835 ( same as your Philippa) BUT it says parents are THOMAS and MARY ANN Polglase . Your Philippa who died same date, her parents were JOHN and ANN...... am I confusing the situation even more here??  It is a submitted record though
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Hi Brissygal Back hunting ! re: Philippa Polglase I have found this: births: Phillippa Polglase sept q 1840 Helston vol 9 pg 99 ( I assume this is your rellie) Philllipa Polglase jun q 1843 Helston vol 9 pg 108 you said in a previous post that your Philippa was b 1840 and christened 1843. I found another death of Philippa Polgl_se june q 1843 Helston (see previous post) .... do you think philippa (1840) may have died in 1843 and Philippa (b 1843) is your Philippa? so this is what I am thinking: philippa # 1: b 1833 d 1835 Philippa # 2: b 1840 In 1841 census she is 11months... maybe she died in 1843(june q , see above) Then Philllipa # 3 is born same quarter as Philippa # 2 dies. Maybe it is Philippa #3 who was christened Aug 1843 . what do you think? I am confusing myself here LOL ------------------- Hi Deb The more I look, the more confused I am also becoming. My dad's cousin gave me the information re Philippa's birthday. She is the daughter of Richard, John & Philippa's youngest son and still lives in Cardiff. Apparently there was a family birthday book which had Philippa's birthday listed as 21 July. She also has a copy of Philippa's birth certificate dated 21 July 1840 - I have a photocopy of it. So it appears to be the correct one? The real Philippa is buried in Whitchurch cemetry with no headstone - 13 Feb 1924. I will continue to dig.  Just going through some other old findings - Register of burials from Germoe. On page 28 there is an Ann Polglase (no residence listed) aged 1, buried Jan 24 1830, curate F Parkhurst. Could this be John & Ann's daughter, christened 22 Mar 1829? I have been re-reading some old correspondence from Cardiff cousins - there is a Methodist chapel up the road from Boscreege where Philippa was born, and there are Polglases buried in the churchyard. Not sure if any are ours.  I have been to Breage and Germoe - they are not very far apart. Would it have been common practice for some BMDs of the one family to be in Breage, and some in Germoe? I'm off to do some more digging! Brissygal  |
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PENROSE - Cornwall to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham) to England (Nottingham) to Ireland (Portadown) to Australia (Melbourne, Mackay, Roma)
POLGLASE - Breage/Germoe & Camborne Cornwall to Lancashire (shown as Philip A Paleflase in Ancestry.com but can see it is Philippa Polglase on original) - Dalton in Furness) to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff)
BASTIAN - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
GILBERT - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
JULIAN - Constantine
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The John Penrose I have been tracing (christened 1826 St Agnes) seems now to be the wrong one - I just discovered he married a Jane Martin from St Agnes in 1851. They are together with family in Blowing House, Mithian, Perranzabuloe in 1861. Jane is back in Barkle Shop, Mithian in 1871 listed as widow. Did John die, OR did he desert Jane, later meeting up with Philippa Polglase and marrying her ----------- Hi again. Back to my original message - if anyone has access to death/burial information in Truro, there are 3 John Penrose deaths recorded in Truro district between 1861 (John & Jane in census) and 1871 (Jane listed as widow). They are: Dec qtr 1861, Truro, 5c 100 Jun qtr 1862, Truro, 5c 122 Mar qtr 1864, Truro, 5c 143 If there are family details or ages confirming my original John Penrose was definitely the wrong one, it would remove any doubts.  Is there any way of finding this sort of info without buying all 3 certificates? Thanks. Brissygal |
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PENROSE - Cornwall to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham) to England (Nottingham) to Ireland (Portadown) to Australia (Melbourne, Mackay, Roma)
POLGLASE - Breage/Germoe & Camborne Cornwall to Lancashire (shown as Philip A Paleflase in Ancestry.com but can see it is Philippa Polglase on original) - Dalton in Furness) to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff)
BASTIAN - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
GILBERT - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
JULIAN - Constantine
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re: Philippa Polglase I have found this: births: Phillippa Polglase sept q 1840 Helston vol 9 pg 99 ( I assume this is your rellie) Philllipa Polglase jun q 1843 Helston vol 9 pg 108 I can't find this Phillipa in Germoe christenings. Only have Aug 17-21 1843 for Breage - not on that page. Don't have other Helston districts. you said in a previous post that your Philippa was b 1840 (birth certificate) and christened 1843. Breage register 1843 page 81, entry 647, Aug 21, Philippa, John & Ann Polglase, Germo, Miner, J Perry - photocopy from Cornwall Record Office, Truro I found another death of Philippa Polgl_se june q 1843 Helston (see previous post) .... do you think philippa (1840) may have died in 1843 and Philippa (b 1843) is your Philippa? Philippa Polglase from Killern buried 9 May 1843, age 86. from Breage Parish Records 1836-1861.so this is what I am thinking: philippa # 1: b 1833 d 1835 Philippa # 2: b 1840 In 1841 census she is 11months... maybe she died in 1843(june q , see above) Wrong one - see above in blueThen Philllipa # 3 is born same quarter as Philippa # 2 dies. Maybe it is Philippa #3 who was christened Aug 1843 . deb PS: I looked on IGI and I see submitted info re: Philippa Jane Polglase...it says Christened 17 June 1833 Breage My 1st Phillippa was christened 3 Feb 1833, daughter of John & Ann Polglase, Boscreege, father Miner, H Todd curate. Germoe parish baptisms, 1833, page 117, Entry 932, photocopy from Cornwall Record Office, Truro.Burial 24 March 1835 ( same as your Philippa) BUT it says parents are THOMAS and MARY ANN Polglase . Your Philippa who died same date, her parents were JOHN and ANN...... am I confusing the situation even more here?? It is a submitted record though I have a photocopy of the parish records burials from Breage, page 183, 1835. Entry 1458 is Philippa Polglase, Germoe, March 24th, Age 3, J W Johns, curate of Helston. It does not list parents. I got this from the Cornwall Record Office in Truro. Where else would you find an entry that would have parents' names listed? I could try to find it. Now I am even more confused. Brissygal |
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PENROSE - Cornwall to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham) to England (Nottingham) to Ireland (Portadown) to Australia (Melbourne, Mackay, Roma)
POLGLASE - Breage/Germoe & Camborne Cornwall to Lancashire (shown as Philip A Paleflase in Ancestry.com but can see it is Philippa Polglase on original) - Dalton in Furness) to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff)
BASTIAN - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
GILBERT - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
JULIAN - Constantine
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Hi Brissygal
Sorry , didn't mean to confuse the issue, just wanted to be sure we have the correct Phillippa
Regarding the deaths you have found for John Penrose in Truro , I can't see any other way of confirming which one he is unless you buy the certs or some kind person can go to the CRO and do a lookup for you
I would love to be in Truro, so I could do lookups...all my old rellies come from there!
I am still on the hunt for a confectioner/musician called John Penrose LOL
deb
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Hi Brissygal
Well If what they say is true then we both have very cornish roots .... you have PENROSE and i have PENFOLD....
If by tre, tra , pol or pen , then ye be true Cornishmen...or something like that! LOL
you having POLglase and PENrose.....OMG...True true Cornishmen.....
we have to find him
deb
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