Author
|
Topic: Marriage John PENROSE - Philippa POLGLASE (Read 1909 times)
|
krisesjoint
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
 Online
Posts: 8232
Always Searching
|
Hi Folks,
Thought I would try this again. I see the Poslglase burials took place in Breage
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html
The dates will confirm the correct GRO refs. Looks like the Philippa who died in 1843 was aged 86 so not yours. 
BTW Deb,
I did follow up on your musician. He was born 1847 Cheltenham, 1871 married. 1881 he is back in Cheltenham with wife and family now a painter. It is a pity we don't have any Penrose researchers joining us with information on the John brissygal originally had in mind.
I am again looking for possibles and have my eye on
John Oratio PENROSE baptised 16 Jul 1830 Truro St Mary's
Siblings
Henry PENROSE 5 Dec 1823
Jane Stokes Phillips PENROSE 31 Mar 1826
Thomas Phillips PENROSE 30 May 1828
John PENROSE = Grace STOKES 1 Dec 1822 Truro St Mary
Grace is in Truro St Mary's - independent, presumably widowed, with the three boys in 1841
Cheers Kris 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
 Offline
Posts: 4830
There has to be royalty somewhere!
|
Hi everyone
I think that Grace Penrose nee Stokes (mother) is living with her son Thomas in London in 1871...no sign of John Oratio Penrose.
Cannot seem to find any of them in 1851 or 1861 ??
Where are they??... 
deb
Kris...I'm happy to see you again 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
|
|
|
krisesjoint
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 8232
Always Searching
|
Hi Deb,
I couldn't find any trace of John or Grace after 1841 so looks like you did better than me to find her with Thomas in 1871. Please put me out of my mystery here Deb. Don't know if my brain is not awake yet but I still don't see them
Strange isn't it. If there is any truth in John being a wandering minstrel, I guess he was rather like your gypsy ancestors and avoided the census. Thing is I would expect that a confectioner was a trained person so I just don't know where he is, but I find it hard to imagine a confectioner having previously been an ag lab or miner in cornwall. It just doesn't seem to fit. I Wondered also if he had maybe travelled far across the seas and been away for years. If that was so and he had been overseas for many years and returned to UK, one would expect this would definitely be mentioned in family stories.
There is also a John who lists as a pipe maker and moves between Devon and Cornwall. (Widowed in 1871) Thought it may have been Grace's son and tracked him about yesterday, but it isn't - I eventually found him in Devon, already married in 1841. (and he was perhaps just a little old anyway) I wondered if these pipes were maybe not as in tobacco but perhaps something used in confectionery making to pipe sweets but no - not so. He does in one enumeration list as tobacco pipe maker so again I was getting nowhere.
I started out just posting that the Polglase burials were in Breage when I spotted them yesterday, while looking for something on the site, when Stephen aged 9 jumped out at me, so I looked a little closer and saw the parents etc and wondered if brissygal had found it. I ended up spending hours looking for John Penrose again but still don't seem to have helped.........Kris
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 4830
There has to be royalty somewhere!
|
Hiya Kris
okay this is what I found in 1871;
Thomas Penrose head 43 mar bank keeper b Trwes ....sic..... Truro
Harriet wife mar 35b London
Eugenie dau 14
Thos son
GRACE MOTHER WID 71 annuitant b Trwes sic ...TRURO
living in St Mary Newington , london
RG10/615 fol 130 pg 5
I hope this is them!!! How can a whole family dissappear .....  
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 4830
There has to be royalty somewhere!
|
ummmm just noticed that Grace's DOB is spot on but Thomas , the son is off by 10 years ....
oops maybe wrong family
  
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
|
|
|
krisesjoint
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 8232
Always Searching
|
Hi Deb,
Sorry I have not got back to this today. That does look good........Back to hunting I guess
Cheers Kris
Thomas is spot on Deb 1828 + 43 = 1871
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 4830
There has to be royalty somewhere!
|
back to maths classes ..... 1871minus 43= 1828....
I want a gold star on my forehead ...ooopsss...maybe this is for you Kris ....
*** gold stars on YOUR forehead !!!! LOL
okay back to the search...who is Harriet?
will look...where are other sibs and where is John ORATIO/HORATIO penrose...
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
|
|
|
krisesjoint
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 8232
Always Searching
|
OK Thomas in 1861....Looks like POB enumerated wrong way around....Now where is Mum
RG9/128 Folio 53 Page 13
6 Claremont Row
Islington St Mary
Middlesex
PENRESE Thomas Head 32 Mar b London General Clerk
PENRESE Harriet Wife 26 Mar b Cornwall
PENRESE Harriet Dau 4 b London
Cheers Kris
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 4830
There has to be royalty somewhere!
|
GOOD ONE KRIS!!!!
I am still looking in 1881 and 1851...we have 1841, 1861, 1871...still no Johnny boy though!!!!
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
brissygal
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 27
|
Thanks, everyone, for all your links and suggestions. I am still working on this  - taking lots of time, but not having any luck yet Would a 1902 death certificate have a birth date (ddmmyyyy) on it
Cheers,
Brissygal 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
PENROSE - Cornwall to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham) to England (Nottingham) to Ireland (Portadown) to Australia (Melbourne, Mackay, Roma)
POLGLASE - Breage/Germoe & Camborne Cornwall to Lancashire (shown as Philip A Paleflase in Ancestry.com but can see it is Philippa Polglase on original) - Dalton in Furness) to Wales (Swansea, Cardiff)
BASTIAN - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
GILBERT - Breage/Germoe, Cornwall
JULIAN - Constantine
|
|
|
|
|
ambers
RootsChat Veteran
Offline
Posts: 628
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Hi Brissygal,
I've got hooked on this search too. ,
I have seen three children Baptised to a John Penrose (Confectioner) and Mary Ann...St Mary's Truro
All three baptised 21/5/1868 at Kenwyn.
Frederick
Henry
Elizabeth Jane.......no ages given for any of them
I have seen a marriage for a Mary Ann Evans to John Penrose b1825 and a census for 1861/1871 he is a Carpenter and Beer ? so not yours but they also had a child called Charles E so maybe some connection somewhere
Census 1861 RG9 Piece 1558 Folio40 Page 6.
Ambers
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock
Warwickshire: Mountney
|
|
|
|
|
|
