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Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« on: Friday 13 July 07 02:00 UTC (UK) »

I am trying to untangle a Cartwright line.

I have William Cartwright marrying Sarah Dawes 13 Jul 1814 in Eckington ( previous look up for me from the PRs). 

There may then be a marriage to an Ann Turner on 13 April 1827.(IGI Patron submitted)

By the 41 Census, William is living with a Rosamund ( surname unknown although possibly also a Cartwright - from IGI Patron submitted).  There was a marriage of a Rosamund Moore to a Joseph Cartwright in Whittington 3 Jun 1827. Maybe Joseph died and she married William ?

I would like to be able to confirm whether William is actually married to these 3 ladies or not so if anyone is able to search and find the relevant marriages and death entries I would be very grateful

Many thanks
Jackie Cheesy
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Re: Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 18:19 UTC (UK) »

I am in the process of transcribing Eckington PRs but hav'nt got to 1814 yet, but you might glean something   www.ridgeway.org.uk
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Re: Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Omskirk I'll keep an eye open  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 August 07 13:05 UTC (UK) »

Dear Jackie,
                  Can confirm marriage of William Cartwright & Ann Turner 13/4/1827  witnesses Joseph Cartwright & Rosamund Moor, I think that answers your question, possibly Joseph was Williams brother?
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Re: Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 August 07 13:24 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Omskirk for that.  Cheesy

I dont suppose it said if he was a widower though?

I think that I just  need to confirm the deaths of the 2 ladies, Sarah Dawes and Ann Turner and the death of Joseph to  prove I'm not following 2 seperate Williams. Grin

Best wishes

Jackie
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:26 UTC (UK) »

No it did'nt say widower, I can check the burials when I get time
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Re: Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 August 07 15:30 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Omskirk that would be extremely kind of you but please dont go to any trouble Cheesy

All the best
Jackie
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 August 07 13:39 UTC (UK) »

Dear Jackie,
                  Can you work some dates out for these lookups so i can help you, Smiley I don't get much time on my visits after I've completed my own work, so some approx dates and places would help,I note you have a Joseph in Whittington, does that mean he may have died in Whittington
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Re: Eckington marriages and deaths PR look up please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 August 07 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Omskirk for your very kind offer

What I have at the moment is

Joseph Cartwright married Mary Lindley in Whittington 8 Oct 1786 ( I dont know where this Joseph was born or when I'm afraid)

They had the following children all born in Whittington
Francis 1787
Paul 1789
William 1791[u][/u]
Peter 1793
Dorothy 1795
Hannah 1797

William then marries a Sarah Dawes in Eckington 13 Jul 1814. Witness Samuel Cartwright

They have children
Mary - Jun 1815
Mark - Feb 1817
Elizabeth - Jul 1819
Sarah - Dec 1821.

all baptised in Ridgeway Methodist. William is a sickle maker.

In the 1841 Census William is living with his daughters Elizabeth and Sarah at Old School, Ridgeway Moor. Also living with them is a Rosamund Cartwright. Unfortunatly as you know it doesnt say if William is married to Rosamund.

The 1851 Census doesnt really help as William is visiting relatives but it does say that he is married.

There is then a memorial inscription to William and Rosamund who is described as his wife in 1870 when she dies, at St Johns Methodist Church Ridgeway, which indicates that at some stage they married.

As I say, there is a marriage listed for a William Cartwright to Ann Turner in 1827 which you kindly checked out for me. Which if it is the same William would indicate that first wife Sarah nee Dawes died between 1821 and 1827

I cant find a marriage between William Cartwight and Rosamund but there is a  marriage between a Joseph Cartwright and a Rosamund Moor in Jun 1827 in Whittington. Now whether Joseph died and William made Rosamund his 2nd or 3rd wife I'm not sure.

I would like to establish
1) whether Sarah died between 1821 and 1827

2) whether the William who married Ann was the same William and a widower

3) whether if this is the sameWilliam who married  Ann, when she died

4) when he married Rosamund and if Rosamund was the widow of Joseph

I hope this makes sense and would be very grateful for anything you can find to assist

Many thanks
Jackie Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 23 August 07 20:01 UTC (UK) »

Rosamund Cartwright  Wid   54   Monthly Nurse   Lincs

1861 census for Ridgeway (Above)

1841 census for Ridgeway
This Rosamund is Williams wife, if the relationship was other I would have made a note, these are family groups, but Elizabeth being 20 would make Rosamund only 15 when she was born, so this does suggest that William had been married previously

William Cartright   45   Sicklemaker   y   
Rosamund   35      y   
Elizabeth   20   Dressmaker   y   
Sarah    15      y   
John Webster   35   Sicklemaker   y   
Sarah    40      y   
Edmund   12      y   
Sarah    10      y   
Ann   6      y   
Mark   3      y   
Annis   2      y               

Ridgeway Chapel Memorial inscriptions
A124
Sacred to the memory of William Cartwright who departed this life 20/11/1856 aged 65, it is the Lord, let him do what seemeth him good, also rosamond wife of the above named who departed this life 22/9/1870 aged 64 The memory of the just is blessed, also of Sarah daughter of the above William & Sarah Cartwright who died 18/7/1887 aged 65

I think this answers some of your questions, you need to have a better rummage on my website www.ridgeway.org.uk  but I'll check on Sarah Dawes/Cartwright
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 23 August 07 20:11 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Omskirk Grin

Best wishes
Jackie
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 24 August 07 15:39 UTC (UK) »

William married Rosamund 11/10/1830 Eckington, don't know if he/she was widowed but it's a start

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« Reply #12 on: Friday 24 August 07 16:39 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much indeed David, that is a great help

Best wishes
Jackie Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: Friday 24 August 07 18:06 UTC (UK) »

Got that from familysearch.org
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 24 August 07 18:21 UTC (UK) »

As yes I saw that on there but it is only a patron submitted one which Im always very wary about.
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