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Topic: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please (Read 850 times)
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scrappyshaz
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Could some-one check on the Landers family for me please - in 1881 they were at 2 Black Rock Cottages, Rottingdean, Sussex.
David Landers b 1840 Rottingdean, Sussex
Mary Jane (Dau ) b 1864 all kids born Rottingdean
Thomas b 1866
David B 1871
George b 1874
Alice Bertha b 1879
Walter b 1881
Any help appreciated, thanks 
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kerryb
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Hi Scrappyshaz
RG12 801 23 5
Living in Rottingdean, 2 Black Rock Cottages so same place
David Landers 51, Foreman at Gas works, born Brighton
Mary A, 26, housekeeper, born Rottingdean
David, 20 Meter Marker? at Gas works born Rottindean
George H, 18, Laundry man, born Rottingdean
Alice B, 12 scholar born Rottingdean
Walter, 10 scholar born Rottingdean
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kerryb
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Hi again Scrappyshaz
I'm interested in this family because I have some Landers who came from Albourne and Twineham, I wonder whether we have a connection as that's not that far from Brighton?
I have a William Lander born 1785 in Albourne whose children were:
John, Elizabeth, Henry, Mary, Frances and Ann all born 1812 and 1824.
Do you know anything about David's parents?
Kerry
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scrappyshaz
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Wow Kerry - that was FASSSSST!!!
Thanks thats a great help. I didn't find my Angelina with the family so will have to keep looking for her. If you notice her in Sussex she was Angelina Cross BURFORD b 1851 Bury St Edmunds Sussex, married to a Richard HUTCHINSON - but probably separated. She was with the Landers children in 1901 at 1 Black rock Cottage - so hoped to find her there in 1891
Such is life!!
Thanks again for your superfast response,
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kerryb
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Never mind, I'm sure David must fit in somewhere.
Just had a quick look for Angelina, she's not showing herself! Can I just clarify was she born in Bury, Sussex or Bury St Edmunds, Essex?
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Roy G
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Hi Kerry
It may help to know that I have done the Lander family tree for a friend of mine (Victor Lander) and the Black Rock Cottage lot do relate back to Albourne & Hurstpierpoint.
Below is a section from my Notes
Roy Grant
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Known Family
John Lander of Hurstpierpoint / Albourne (born c1810)
married Sarah Patching from Hurstpierpoint/Albourne,
Producing
Thomas bapt 18 May 1834, Albourne),
1851 lodging with Moppet family in Rottingdean? No trace 1881
Joseph bapt 6 March 1836 Albourne,
married Lucy Moppet Dec 1861
Address 1881 4 Black Rock Cottages
Children shown later
Richard bapt 1838, Rottingdean.
Married Ann (b c1841) from Littlehampton
Address 1881 7 Cumberland Place Brighton
David b 1840 Rottingdean
Married Harriet ? of Eastdean
Children:
Mary Jane bapt St Nicholas Brighton 1864,
Thomas, Harriet, George &
Alice Bertha bapt St Peter Brighton 25 May 1879
Address 1881 2 Black Rock Cottages
John bapt 1844 Rottingdean,
No trace 1881
Charles bapt 1846, Rottingdean..
Married Lydia Cox aged 22, Rottingdean 15 Nov 1875.
Children Martha, Jane & Louisa
Address 1881 9 Black Rock Cottages
Jemima bapt 16 March 1850 Rottingdean,
Married Thomas John Cole, St Peters Brighton 27 Dec 1874
1881 census 17 Rankin Street London RG11 0062/42 page 24
Thomas Cole Painter age 30 born Sussex
Jemima Cole wife age 30 born Sussex
Thomas J Cole son age 5 born Sussex
Notes
The baptisms suggest that the Lander family must have moved to Rottingdean between 1838 – 1840.
Futhermore, Joseph may not have cared whether he was born in Albourne or Rottingdean and just told the census enumerator the first thing that came into his head.
Joseph above (born c1836) married Lucy Moppet Dec 1861
Side note.
Lucy Moppet was an illegitimate child and at birth was given her mother’s maiden surname. Although her parents married within weeks of that birth, her baptism certificate also has her as Lucy Moppett. In later documents however, she takes her mother’s new husband’s surname and becomes known as Lucy Hide. John Hide (Lucy’s presumed father) is named as her father on the above marriage certificate
The couple produced
John Thomas bapt Rottingdean 17 May 1863 Address 1881 4 Black Rock Cottages
Joseph Richard bapt Rottingdean 1865 (M 1883?) Address 1881 4 Black Rock Cottages
Amelia bapt born March ¼ 1868 baptised Rottingdean 1868
Charles Frederic bapt Rottingdean 1870 b June ¼ 1870 Address 1881 4 Black Rock Cottages
John above (born Rottingdean 1863) married twice.
His first wife was Emily Eason (m Rottingdean June ¼ 1885)
Emily was born circa 1862 and bapt St Nicholas, Brighton Sept 1862
It is believed she was the daughter of William & Susan Eason. She died in 1889)
The couple produced Percy’s half brothers and sister
Arthur born c1885 Brighton
Daisy born c1886 Brighton
Joseph Charles born c1890 Brighton (b March ¼ 1889?)
John’s second wife who he married in Brighton (June ¼ 1893) was Frances (Fanny) Harriett Vine of Brighton, born circa 1864 and baptised August 1865.
She was the daughter of Edwin & Mary of 11 Black Rock Cottages, Rottingdean (1881)
The couple produced Percy on 29 December 1893
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slaw
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This looks like your family on the 1841 census; address, Black Rock Rottingdean
John Landers age 30 AG Labourer born in county
Sarah age 30 -----------------
Thomas age 7
Joseph age 5
Richard 3
David 1
This name was mis-transcribed as Lounders
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kerryb
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Thank you Roy, I guessed they must do, it's not that far - as the crow flies!
Kerry
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scrappyshaz
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Hi Kerryb,
Must have been too late at night for me the other day - Angelina was born in Bury St Edmunds SUFFOLK!
In 1901 she was living with some of the Landers Children at ! Black Rock Cottage, Rottingdean. RG13/919 Folio 87 page 9
Angelina Hutchison Head Wid 49 Hotel Manager retired Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, ENG
Mary Jane Lander Dau S 35 Housekeeper Domestic Rottingdean, Sussex, ENG
Alice B Lander dau S 22 School teacher Rottingdean, Sussex, ENG
Walter Lander Son 19 Builders Clerk Rottingdean, Sussex, ENG
It's interesting she's using her married name but claiming the Landers children as son & daughters!
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kerryb
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Hi scrapppyshaz
It looks like David's wife died quite early on perhaps she and David were 'together' for a while and perhaps she describes herself as widow because of his death not her husbands!!
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Roy G
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Angelina was in London with her husband Richard in 1881 giving her birthplace as Mildenhall, Suffolk. She had downsised her age by about 4 years. RG11 /0055 / 88 / 47.
Presumably any relationship with David or his family must have been after that date and none of the children could have been hers.
David (b 23 Feb 1840 Rottingdean)
Married Harriet Thorpe of Eastdean June ¼ 1860 (Harriet died aged 42, June ¼ 1883)
Children:
Joseph Richard bapt 19 May 1861
Married Mary b Rottingdean 1861
Children
Sarah A b 1885
William b 1890
Mabel b 1894
Mary Jane bapt St Nicholas Brighton 1864,
Thomas, b 1866
David b 1871
George b 1873
Alice Bertha Born March ¼ 1879 bapt St Peter Brighton 25 May 1879
Address 1881 2 Black Rock Cottages
Walter
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As his wife died in 1884
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Roy G
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It went before I could finish so I continue......
As his wife died in 1883, the 1891 census should be revealing.
Can someone look it up.
Roy G
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Roy G
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The 1901 has David Lander on it, so he was still alive then, but not recorded with his family. Do you think he was working the night shift at the gas works and although the children were in the care of their elder sister in their father's house, the enumerator's record has led you to believe Angelina was acting as their mother in his absence?
Roy G
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Roy
1891 is the one I looked up right back at the top of this message.
But Angelina is not there, presumably still with her husband?
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