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Alan7636
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Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« on: Monday 16 July 07 13:14 UTC (UK) »

Hello folks  Wink

I have just found evidence that my Great Grandfather Samuel Hicks was apprenticed as a Iron Moulder to a Lincoln company Penistans (sometimes spelled Penistons) in the mid 1800's

Evidently they were not only ironfounders but also engineers and machine makers.

Does anyone have any information on the company, where in Lincoln they were situated, what did they manufacture, did they survive into the 20th century etc.

In fact any details would as usual be greatfully received.

Many thanks

Alan
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 July 07 13:43 UTC (UK) »

http://www.direct-resources.uk.com/lincoln.htm

A couple of Penistans on this sample of a directory from the 1850's. addresses St Rumbolds Lane and Melville Street..... a starting point anyway.....

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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 July 07 15:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi Catherine

Many thanks for the reply. I found a Michael Peniston and family in the 1851 census living at 6 Pelham St. He states he is an Iron Founder employing 25 Men. I believe this area was primarily engineering works.

In 1861 he and his family are living at 351 High St and he is now an Engineer employing 60 men.

Looks as if he had a sizable business.

Alan
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 July 07 15:39 UTC (UK) »

The 1900 Kelly's Directory for Lincoln has only ...
PENISTAN Edward Flint, Ironmonger, 6 Melville St

1933 Directory
PENISTAN & Co, Motor Engineers, Coulson Rd
PENISTAN Herman Reginald, Wireless Engineer 195, and Greengrocer 197, Monks Rd.

1936 Phone book
PENISTAN Fredk, Haulage Contractor, 198 Boultham Park Rd, Lincoln

By 1939, all 3 of those businesses were in the phone book.

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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 July 07 17:22 UTC (UK) »

In 1861 he and his family are living at 351 High St and he is now an Engineer employing 60 men.

Then in 1871, his son has a hotel in Kings Lynn ... Michael and his wife are "Assistants in House" ... most odd Huh

Maybe the foundry was taken over ... Duckerings perhaps.

At www.historicaldirectories.org the 1868 PO Directory has Michael's address as 365 High St.  There are various PENISTAN businesses in Lincoln, but no foundry.
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 July 07 19:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi Geoff  Smiley

Yes I also saw the 1871 census in Kings Lynn and at first thought they were visiting until I saw Michael and Ann listed as 'Assistants in House'  That year my Great Grandfather was still a Moulder in a Foundry so perhaps Penistons had been bought out or perhaps folded.

I did a search of the Lincoln Archives on line and they have an engineering section where they list the major companies such as Duckerings.

Later this month I'm planning on visiting the Archives so perhaps a search of the Engineering section may pull up some information.

Thanks anyway.

Alan
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 July 07 19:17 UTC (UK) »

Just as an aside to this subject, whilst my Great Grandfather would have been apprenticed to Penistans from when he left the Christ's Hospital School at the age of 15 in 1846 until I presume he was 21 in 1852, (the 1851 census shows him as an apprentice in Lincoln) by 1861 he is an 'Iron Moulder' but in St Neots in Cambridgeshire.

By 1871 he is back home in Lincoln still in the Iron foundry trade.

I think a message on the Cambs board may pull up a few answers.

Alan
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 July 07 19:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi Alan, there are a couple of snippet references to Penistan & Co and Michael Penistan of Lincoln in Google Books [see link below] http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Penistan+%26+Co+steam+engine

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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:05 UTC (UK) »

Many many thanks Margaret, looks as if like so many Lincoln industrial concerns around that time their business was agricultural machinery

Thanks again for that useful information.

Alan  Smiley
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:07 UTC (UK) »

It seems a Michael PENISTAN (presumably the father) was Sheriff of Lincoln http://books.google.com/books?id=0UYwAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA64&dq=Penistan+lincoln

In an extract ... "Penistan & Co., Broadgate Ironworks, Lincoln "

A threshing machine http://books.google.com/books?id=1ZvE66ODSoQC&q=Penistan+lincoln&dq=Penistan+lincoln&pgis=1

Margaret - thanks for the link to Google books! Smiley

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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 08:08 UTC (UK) »

Cheers Geoff

The 'Broadgate Iron Works' fits in nicely with the address of St Rumbolds Lane that Catherine found yesterday.

Alan

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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 09:12 UTC (UK) »

Some of the road names we have mentioned have been lost over time.  Here's a  current map

http://tinyurl.com/yupp27

St Rumbolds Lane became St Rumbolds Street

From the river ("Waterside") to the drain was Melville Street

From the drain, and down to the railway was Pelham Street

Referring again to www.historicaldirectories.org

Look at the 1857 City of Lincoln Directory and find

PENISTAN MIchael, Engineer and Iron Founder, St Rumbolds Lane (House - 351 High St)

You will notice that Duckerings were also in business at the time.

I have several old street maps of Lincoln, and note there there was something - possibly a factory - to the south of St Rumbolds Lane in 1851.  By 1868 it was much larger.  There is a nearby label saying "Foster and Co", so perhaps it became their factory; but Foster's address in 1868 was Waterside North.  Fosters eventually built the first military tank http://www.thelincolntank.net/thefirst.html

Incidentally, the site of the factory I am speculating about is now the car park opposite Lincs Archives.
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 09:41 UTC (UK) »

Once again Geoff thanks for the valuable information.

I have the 1905 Ordnance Survey map and the current A to Z street Atlas for the City, the 1905 map shows St Rumbolds Street and a heavy concentration of small to medium size factories.

As you say we have the Lincolnshire Archives on one side and opposite where the factories were is now the car park. Thats what I love about Lincoln, unlike some city's its still possible to walk the streets of our ancestors even if some of the architecture has changed.

Alan
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Re: Messrs. Penistan, Ironfounders
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 10:01 UTC (UK) »

I forgot to recommend http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
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