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saxonw.
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Posts: 375
So many honest folk but it's the liars and cheats
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Does anyone have sufficient expertise to help others with the interpretation of manifests?
(1) There are lots of pencil marks and I have read on the US ones is if there is a line through thier name that means someone changed their name on arrival. is there any truth in that?
(2) If so can you trace what they changed their name to?
(3) Does this only apply to US bound manifests or is it general?
(4) I e -mailed the National Archives who indicated that pencil marks were very much the interpretation of the individual clerk and thus they were not prepared to comment. Anyone have any views on that please?
(5) If the passenger was lined through with the initials D O B mean they didn't make it and would this show up elsewhere?
(6) I thought that all called "Mr " was class thing and meant the passenger was in the cabin or salon or not in steerage but this appears not to be the case any comments on this please.
(7) If someone was on a boat to New York bur their record doesn't appear in either the Castle Garden or Ellis Island site does this mean they weren't immigrants? What happens if you are a smooth talking individual who says he is just visiting but moves in anyway without going through the Ellis Island immigration procedures?
( Any other ideas how to find a liar and a cheat who has otherwise disappeared off this planet (probably) leaving the UK would be of assistance.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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aghadowey
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Posts: 13646
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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In theory anyone arriving in the U.S. through New York (Castle Garden or Ellis Island) should be in the indexes but I have not been able to find people that did come through them (several of them on small ships). Wonder if all the passenger lists are there?
I do know that some names are mis-transcribed in the indexes which makes them harder to find.
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saxonw.
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 375
So many honest folk but it's the liars and cheats
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Well the manifests I'm looking at are the ones leaving the UK: why should they be different to the ones arriving in the US? But they do seem to be.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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aghadowey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Probably depends on how complete the passengers lists are. I have found a few cases of relatives listed on passenger list from Ellis Island crossed off and then turning up on a later ship (in one case, the mother took ill at the last minute and daughter stayed behind until she was better).
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GreySquirrel
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I assume you are looking at the lists on www.ancestorsonboard.com -- yes? If so, and using your numbering:
1) No truth for UK lists.
5) Does this not say "NOB" = Not On Board... if so...
4) ... being struck through means they did not sail, for whatever reason (if they missed the boat, could they have been on a later ship?).
6) No class status. "Mr" can be used of any male over the age of 12 years ("Master" may be used of younger males).
7) He should appear at Castle Garden or Ellis Island, depending on the date. He ought to have been processed using a copy of the outward bound British list as the basis of a new American list recording different information -- after all, they were receiving people, we here in UK were just getting rid of them, so we were less anxious to record (for example) how much money they were carrying, and whether they were an anarchist.
Does this help?
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saxonw.
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So many honest folk but it's the liars and cheats
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Yes it does help. I'm looking for someone with a fairly posh name-but he wasn't at all posh. Most of the Mr Blundells are posh and appear next to Dr " Smith" or Rev "Jones" up in the saloon or cabin. Mine is a labourer and I believe that there are two of them leaving the UK between about 1892 and 1900 - the first one a baker and the second a labourer. Their first names are Joseph and something else- well Benedict isn't going appear anywhere is it? My guess is that Benedict at least should either appear about 1897/8 in NY or Canada heading for the Klondike goldrush. Joseph I reckon clears off earlier - family rumour has it that one or the other heads to South Africa. But can I find either of them? I think Benedict may call himself either William or John- seems to a family tradition of calling yourself by your grandparents names when you want to hide your own.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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shellyesq
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There's a lot of information about the markings that you'll see on manifests here: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/ It says that a line through the name means either they weren't on board or they were listed elsewhere in the manifest.
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saxonw.
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Posts: 375
So many honest folk but it's the liars and cheats
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That's a really useful site thank you.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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