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Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« on: Friday 20 July 07 19:46 BST (UK) »

Good Evening,

Was wondering if anybody could offer any help.

I've just ordered the birth certificate of my Great, great grandmother Sarah Alexander (b1866), in order to identify her mother's surname.

The certificate quite clearly states her mother as 'Elizabeth Alexander formerly Jude'. On the census returns of 1851, 1871 and 1891, they state:

Elizabeth Alexander, born 1830 (1826 on 1851 Census), Keswick, Cumberland.

However, I can find no record of her on the 1841 and 1861 returns.  Huh

Can anyone see what I'm missing???!!!

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Paul
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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 July 07 19:59 BST (UK) »

Hi Paul,

What was her husband's name? Could you post the 1851 census reference?  Smiley
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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 July 07 20:16 BST (UK) »

Hi Tati,

Certainly, the 1851 Census Reference is...

Class: HO107 Piece 2186 Folio 787 Page 23

Elizabeth's husband was William Alexander. Know no more though! He must have died or been absent as he's not on any of the census returns. He was a Painter (Journeyman) by trade, if this helps? He's listed as Sarah's father on an IGI search. along with Elizabeth.

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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 July 07 20:46 BST (UK) »

The thing that bothers me is the name JUDE ... there seem to be none of them bap in Cumberland.  The name is almost entirely East Anglian
http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=JUDE&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

Her husband was a Mariner in 1851, so that explains his absence then.

I see the birth/baptism of their son John is in the IGI. (1850)
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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 July 07 22:55 BST (UK) »

Evening,

There's something not right about that 1851 Census.

According to the 1871 Census, John was born in 1863, plus it has Sarah (My GG Grandmother) as a 5 year old (1866 birth), which is correct.  It also classes Elizabeth as a widow.

It is on Sarah's 1866 birth certificate that William is working as a Painter. So William died at some point in between.

This also ties in with the 1891 Census where Elizabeth is then living with Sarah and her own family, just 3 years before the birth of my Great grandmother in 1894.

I could always scan and post a portion of the birth cert showing her maiden name?
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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 July 07 23:22 BST (UK) »

There's something not right about that 1851 Census.

There were at least 5 John ALEXANDERs dying in Liverpool/West Derby in the 1850s ... it's quite likely that John (born 1850) was one of them.
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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 July 07 23:32 BST (UK) »

Oh, so the John Alexander born in 1850 may well have been a first child who died young?

Hmm, that still leaves a 13 year gap between children. Interesting!

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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 July 07 18:40 BST (UK) »

Evening,

I'm still struggling to find any real info other than the census returns discussed above. I'm therefore posting a segment of Sarah Alexander's birth certificate. To me, it most certainly looks like it reads:

'Elizabeth Alexander, formerly Jude'

However, I can find no trace of an Elizabeth Jude anywhere on an 1841 Census! All I have found so far is a potential entry in the death index for an Elizabeth Alexander in 1893.

Any ideas?

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Re: Look up/transcription request ... Elizabeth Jude
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 July 07 18:41 BST (UK) »

I've posted it in the common room board under 'Transcription Request: Elizabeth Jude'......


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