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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:07 UTC (UK) »
Do you know OVAS will he get in touch also
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An65
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:17 UTC (UK) »
BINGO got them on 1891 census

They are listed as William not Williams on Ancestry.

Caravan, Donovans Yard, Battersea 1891

Charles Williams head 47 Horse Dealer b.Andover Hants
Mary Ann Williams wife 47 licensed Hawker b.Winchester Hants
Phoebe Williams dtr 13 Hanworth Mx
Henry Williams son 21 Mitcham Sy
Samuel Williams son 16 Willesden London
Ada Williams dtr 16 Hanworth Mx
Caroline Williams gdtr 8 Acton

There is a large group of travellers in Caravans at this place.
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An65
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:20 UTC (UK) »
I dont know Ovas, but Im sure they will reply once they come online.

Thats interesting about Leonards birth certificate - hmmm and the name changes - not uncommon in Rom research.

I shall wander off and have another nose....
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:29 UTC (UK) »
I do have a photo of Leonard & Sarah with Henry and Annie we think tried to post it will not let me keeps coming up error
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:32 UTC (UK) »
the one at Donavans yard id the family of Henry which we think are cousins they were living together in the 1901 census I have follow Henry forward and spoken to descendants. It Leonard  parents we just cant get any leads to confirm info is true
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An65
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:36 UTC (UK) »
it isnt proving easy over here either! cant seem to get a result at the moment.

If the address is right for Leonards birth, and his father is named alternatively as William and James, I would suspect a name change and as I said, not uncommon. Shame I cant seem to get a lead on William/James though grrr
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 29 July 07 11:44 UTC (UK) »
census 1891 leonard c williams   if you look up Rose gurry   and then census 1881  James 1835  you find cawday st  one son Edwin is there and still there in1891 .  cenus 1871 he is down as Wm Williams
its just so difficult as they were all ducking and diving all the time to make a living
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An65
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 29 July 07 12:13 UTC (UK) »
ah yes found them now.

I have to go off and do "stuff" for a bit - will be back later on Smiley
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ovas
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 29 July 07 13:26 UTC (UK) »
instead of the nav Gurry perhaps its gurney ,This lot Romerd with the smiths  & Bowers & resulted in  both posh rats & didikies as well as 100% Roms.

  Leave no stone unturned."
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 29 July 07 13:42 UTC (UK) »
are you related to Leonard williams 1881 and sarah miller 1882 as you were asking after them
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ovas
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 29 July 07 16:50 UTC (UK) »
Latcho divvus Annette no we share no Rat"
JUST  having a dik on akai to help a kako 
If i find ill share
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 29 July 07 16:59 UTC (UK) »
I have been trying to find his parents,  have looked into Gurney  there was a Richard williams married  to a elizabeth gurney his grandfather was called richard could he have called himself that name.  millers side know all them OK I know romany .
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 29 July 07 17:01 UTC (UK) »
I am grateful of any help its driving me mad he must have had a few brother & sisters somewhere 
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annettechivrall
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 29 July 07 17:17 UTC (UK) »
not granda father,  father was called richard
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ovas
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Re: Williams?
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 18:08 UTC (UK) »
AN65 Yep I do believe you have the true family .Havin compared the 4 cens you posted it looks to me like chas,ada & phoebe is the only p,o,b that remain constant most other details change about between each cen As you would partially expect .Aswell as the 1891 cen showing 2 kids as twins yet these or any of the other generations dont show any more twins.
Personally my conclusion is that Sam is very likley to be Len .It is so like other familys of this type & time, Constantly trying to avoid giving any details to the governments IT.may be the closet to the truth that can be found
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME

Av akai Annettechivrall putcha a chai/chavi /Rauni? Nanti gajikano
the info is tatcho.
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