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smudger28
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1861 Look Up Please
« on: Friday 27 July 07 13:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi Guys

I'm looking for Catherine Rush b abt 1837 widow Uppingham with daughter Louisa born Uppingham.  Catherine was formerly a Stretton.

Thanks

Paul

Here she is in 1841

1841
HO 107/896/10/46/26-27
Uppingham
North Street

Thomas Stretton 40 Ag Lab Y
Sarah 40 Y
Caroline 13 Y
Robert 10 Y
John 8 Y
George 7 Y
Catherine 4 Y
Louisa 1 Y
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Lincolnshire: Smith, Moss, Baxter
Rutland: Dexter, Hill, Green, Fowler, Smith, Ward, Vernum, Lattimore, Chappell, Turner, Burrows
Northamtonshire: Baxter, Smith
South Africa: Moss, Dominey, Dominy, Domeney

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Tati
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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 July 07 15:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Paul  Cheesy

1861
RG9/2311 78 8
Clipsham, Rutland

Catherine Rush, visitor, wid, 24, Laundress, b. Rutland Uppingham

visiting a large family named Medwell.

Uppingham, Rutland
RG9/2308 3 3
High Street

Thomas Stretton, head, 63, Ag lab, b. Uppingham
Sarah, wife, 62, b. Barrowden
Louisa, dau, 21, Laundress, b. Uppingham
Catherine Rush, dau, wid, 24, Laundress, b. do.
Louisa Rush, granddau, 3, b. do.


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smudger28
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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 July 07 15:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tati

Just out of interest who was the first Catherine?  Thanks for the look up.

Paul
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Cornwall: Hoare, Hoar, Mallet, Mallett, Davey, Cock
Leicester (Croxton K)Ward
Lincolnshire: Smith, Moss, Baxter
Rutland: Dexter, Hill, Green, Fowler, Smith, Ward, Vernum, Lattimore, Chappell, Turner, Burrows
Northamtonshire: Baxter, Smith
South Africa: Moss, Dominey, Dominy, Domeney

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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 July 07 15:29 UTC (UK) »

My guess: the same person enumerated twice  Wink
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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 July 07 15:38 UTC (UK) »

Hello, Paul

1861 census
RG9/2311  folio 78  page 7 & 8
Clipston  Rutland

head of house
Henry Medwell    Stone Mason  b  Northampton
visitor
Catharine Rush  W  age 24  Laundress b  Uppingham

I also found the Thomas Stretton entry, confusing. !!!

Birth
Louis Rush
Dec ¼  1857  Uppimgham  7a  229

1871 census
RG10/3302  folio 4  page 2
leicester Rd.,  Uppingham

Charles Peach  age 24   gardener   b  Leics Stockerton
Catharine  wife  age 30   Laundress b  Uppingham
George William  son  age 2    b    diito
Louisa  Rush  dau in law  age 12   b   ditto
 (this is the accepted term for Step dau )

Marriage
Charles Peach  =  Catharine Rush
Sept. 1867  Uppingham  7a  475

Also looked for a Stretton = Rush marriage with  no sucess.

Hope thia helps

Meliora
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smudger28
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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 July 07 16:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Meliora

Thanks for the help!!

I'm also struggling with the Rush Stretton marriage.  From a birth certificate of Louisa it states the Father as Alfred Rush.

Cheers

Paul
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Cornwall: Hoare, Hoar, Mallet, Mallett, Davey, Cock
Leicester (Croxton K)Ward
Lincolnshire: Smith, Moss, Baxter
Rutland: Dexter, Hill, Green, Fowler, Smith, Ward, Vernum, Lattimore, Chappell, Turner, Burrows
Northamtonshire: Baxter, Smith
South Africa: Moss, Dominey, Dominy, Domeney

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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 July 07 10:07 UTC (UK) »

The mystery deepens.

We have the two 1861 census entries for a Catharine Rush, one with a dau, Louisa, whose father is stated to be Alfred.  As both the 2 Catharine's are widows we need a death for an Alfred Rush , 1857 (birthof Louisa) to Apr. 1861.

I searched the complete BMDs for all with the surname Rush for a death for Alfred, looking at the district for Rutland vol 7a. ( adjoing districts, Billsdon,Kettering,Market Harbourer,Oakham,Oundle & Stamford).  The only one for Alfred was>>
Sept. ¼  1858  Mile End 1c 348
I have my doublts that this is the correct one, as there was a marriage for an Alfred Rush in Shorditch.

I also searched the complete BMDs for a marriage for a Catharine Stretton, 1854 -1857 ( oneof her birth dates for the 1861 census put her birth c 1837).  I found this one, thinkng, hooray, found it, right name, right distict, right date. 
Marriage
Catharine Stretton
Mar ¼  1857  Oakham  7a  327

BUT, on checking this in the freeBMDs found that the choice of spouse's named was, George Green & William Abbott.  No Alfred  Rush.

I then checcked the 1861 census for a Catharine Green with a spouse George & found this.

RG9/2307  folio 58  page 8
Market Overton  Rutland

George Green  age 37  Maltster  b  Market Overton
Catharine  wife  age 27    b  Rutland Greetham
Thomas  son  age 3   b  Market Overton
Henry Stretton, brother,  age 22 b  Greetham.

So, I will risk a guess here that this Catharine is perhaps a cousin to the one shown as a dau of Thomas Stretton. It means having a search for the births or bapts of these two Catharines.

There is no birth registered in the complete BMDs or a Catharine Stretton, 1837- 1841.

Just found this, souce IGI

Catharine Stretton
bapt 1834  Greetham, Rutland
father John Stretton   mother  Mary Tomblin

Ah, well, back to the drawing board, as they say.

Meliora



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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 July 07 10:51 UTC (UK) »

Census info.

1841 censys
HO107/894  bk 6  folio 14  page 22
Greetham  Rutland

John Stretton  age 50  Ag Lab  born in county Y
Mary  age 40   b  ditto
Sarah age 12  b  ditto
John  age 10  b  ditto
Catharine  age 8  b  ditto
Thomas  age 6  b  ditto
Henry  age 3   b  ditto

1841 census
HO107/896  bk 10  folios 46 & 7  pages 28 & 9
North St.  Uppingham  Rutland

Thomas Stretton,  age 40  Ag Lab  born in county Y
Sarah  age 40  b   ditto
Caroline  age 13 b   ditto
Robert  age 10  b  ditto
John  age 8  b  ditto
George  age 7  b  ditto
Catharine  age 4  b  ditto
Louisa  age 1   b  ditto

1851 census
HO107/2093  folio 96  page 11
High St Uppingham  Rutland

Thomas Stretton  age 54  Lab.  b  Uppingham
Sarah wife age 54  b  Bernaden
Robert  son age 18  b  Uppingham
George  son  age 16 b  ditto
Catharine  dau  age 14  b  ditto
Louisa  dau  age 11 b  ditto

Hope these help

Meliora


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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 28 July 07 18:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi Meliora

I'm blown away by all the help you have provided.  Thank you very much.

I'm also very confused by the death of Alfred Rush.  I have asked a friend who has the Uppingham fiche to check for a burial.  I wonder if his death was ever registered?

Thank you

Paul
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Cornwall: Hoare, Hoar, Mallet, Mallett, Davey, Cock
Leicester (Croxton K)Ward
Lincolnshire: Smith, Moss, Baxter
Rutland: Dexter, Hill, Green, Fowler, Smith, Ward, Vernum, Lattimore, Chappell, Turner, Burrows
Northamtonshire: Baxter, Smith
South Africa: Moss, Dominey, Dominy, Domeney

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Re: 1861 Look Up Please
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 July 07 10:37 UTC (UK) »

Hello, Paul,

I have always understood that a burial could not take place without a death cert.

I had wondered whether Alfred had been a second given name & he had dropped the first name, but of all the Rush lookups  found none with an Aflred for first or second.  I also thought about a war death, but  could not think, off hand, of any conflict taking place 1857-'61.  The Crimean war ended in 1856, I suppose he could have been a casualty who died later but there should be a record somewhere for  him.

I have searched the National  Burial Index but there was nothing for him in any county.

I had been looking for Alfred in Rutland, not found anything useful so broadened the search for all counties but only found there were several Alfred's in Suffolk, but how to tell who was the right one, I just don't know.

Sorry to be at a deadend on Alfred.

Meliora
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