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marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« on: Saturday 28 July 07 16:44 BST (UK) »

Is it possible for some kind sole to look up a marriage between Samuel knight and Ann Kirkby. The marriage took place 1824 in Whicham, Cumberland. Samuel was born in Lancs and was a shoemaker. Any information regarding this couple would be gratefully appreciated.
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 July 07 18:08 BST (UK) »

Any information regarding this couple would be gratefully appreciated.


Do you have then on the 1841 census with children???


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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 July 07 18:21 BST (UK) »

Hi Tricia,

Some kind people in Lancashire have given me a list of the children of Samuel and Ann in 1841. They are William, Isabella, John and Dorothy. Hope this helps.
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:01 BST (UK) »

Hi

IGNORE THE FOLLOWING - see reply from Tricia below

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Where did you get the info re: the year and place of their marriage.  It's not on the IGI or BVRI.  Are you assuming they married in Cumberland because their children were born there?

The 1841 census shows a William Knight aged 15.  If he is the same William who married Hannah and had a son David - the 1851 shows he was born in Lancashire around 1822. 

Ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years in 1841 so if he was b 1822 and was 19 in 1841 - he became 15 and b 1826
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:08 BST (UK) »

Carole - it is on IGI  Wink
and it's an extracted record
   
SAMUEL KNIGHT

Marriages:
  Spouse:  ANN KIRKBY    Marriage:  20 NOV 1824   Whicham, Cumberland, England


Perhaps William came from a previous marriage???


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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:11 BST (UK) »

Hi

oops - I searched on KIRBY which is why it showed no results
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:20 BST (UK) »

Interesting that on the IGI it only shows Isabella, Dorothy and John as children of Samuel Knight and Ann all  being born in Whicham, Cumberland. William isn't included.


There is a birth of a William Knight in Rochdale Lancs to a Samuel Knight and Ann in 1822.  If this is Samuel then Ann may be a first wife(different Ann)  Maybe???

Samuel is about 10 years older than Ann Kirkby

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:29 BST (UK) »

Hi

The 1851 has "Redish" Lancashire as his birthplace and wife Hannah is Cheshire Stockport.  I thought it may have been Reddish which is Stockport
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:39 BST (UK) »

The mystery we have spun ourselves is solved

William is at home with Samuel and Ann but still born Lancs so is presumably from a first marriage

1851

Sylecroft Whicham

Samuel Knight Head 60 Shoemaker born Kirkby Lancashire
Ann wife 52 Shoemaker's wife b Cleator Cumberland
William son 36 Unmar Journeyman shoemaker born Lancashire
Dorothy dau 14 b Whicham Cumberland

HO107/2438; Folio: 145; Page: 4

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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:56 BST (UK) »

Hi

William was only 15 in 1841 (possibly 19) but is 36 in 1851 so b around 1814/15 The image is a bit naff so could be meant to be age 26

1861 has him b 1825 Broughton Lancs

RG9; Piece: 3955; Folio: 89; Page: 4
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 July 07 00:58 BST (UK) »

Trouble is - none of this helps us to find the parents of Samuel and Ann Sad
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 July 07 01:08 BST (UK) »

I agree - but the marriage entry isn't going to do that either as it was pre-1837.

I found an older Samuel Knight on the IGI and he was b Lancashire - Kirby Ireleth

Set me thinking.  Did the Kirkby (Merseyside) we know today exist in the 1700's when Samuel was born?

I've seen Simonswood and Melling on later census entries but can't recall seeing Kirkby.  Just a thought
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 29 July 07 01:13 BST (UK) »

On Genuki it says that the church was re-built in 1766 so I guess it was.

I'm off to bed now - my head is spinning with all this

Goodnight, Tricia
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi
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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 July 07 08:14 BST (UK) »

I think Kirkby Ireleth (nowadays Kirkby in Furness) is much more likely - only 6 or 7 miles as the crow flies from Whicham.

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Re: marriage lookup - Samuel Knight & Ann Kirkby
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 July 07 09:05 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Thanks for all your help so far - I think I need some time to digest this info, no wonder your head is in a spin Tricia.
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Lindsay, Cleminson, Vannen, Headly, Wall, Smith, Knight, Forster, Hearing, Watson, Winship, Wood, Gray, Curry, Shields, Young, Wilkinson, Johnson, Rodham, Allison, Kirkby, Moore(s), Gregory, Ellison, Wilkes, Cowin, Quine, Connor, Cannell, Crow, Corlett, Crain, Ormerod, Higham, Dootson, Christian, Vaughan, Caine, Curghey, Gigg.
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