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local pub history - Preston lancashire
« on: Wednesday 17 March 04 14:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I am trying to find out the history of 3 particular pubs in Preston
as part of a project. Can anyone help ?

The three pubs are The Tithebarn, The Golden Cross hotel and the
Black A Moor hotel. They are due to be demolished as part of the
Tithebarn regeneration project.

Thanks, Steven
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 March 04 18:10 UTC (UK) »

Dear Steven,

I would like to help you with your research !

How much do you already know if anything about these public houses?

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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 March 04 21:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

At the moment i dont know anything about the 3 pubs
so i need all the information i can get on their history.

The research is to back up my photographic project that
i am undertaking.

Many thanks, steven.
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 March 04 17:44 UTC (UK) »

Dear Stephen,

This is what I have managed to find out so far.....

I should say that the handwriting was very poor and very difficult to make out  Undecided

The Tithebarn at 27 Lord Street Preston

In the 1891 Census, 27 Lord Street is "The Imperial Hotel"

Residents: Richard Portman (It looks like!)
                  Head 43 Barman born in Cottam (I think)
                  Margaret Portman Wife 43 born in Preston
                  Lilly Banks Portman Dau 23 Cotton Weaver born
                  In Salford Lancashire
                  Annie Banks Portman 18 Cotton Weaver born in
                  Salford Lancashire
                  George Banks Portman 16 Cotton Weaver born
                  Salford
                  John Banks Portman 14 Scholar born in Salford
                  Nellis (looks like) Banks Portman 9 born in
                  Manchester.

I checked the Directory for 1855 and both these names were not listed.

It could however have been run as a beer house as there were many on the Lancaster Road in the 1850's

The Golden Cross 60 Lancaster Road Preston

In the 1881 Census, the address is 187 Lancaster Road.

Residents:
Richard FOXTON    Head    M    Male    53    Richmond, York, England    Inn Keeper
Jane FOXTON    Wife    M    Female    51    Rochdale, Lancashire, England    
Richard R. FOXTON    Son       Male    14    Haywood, Lancashire, England    Scholar
Mary J. WALMSLEY    Visitor    U    Female    17    Rochdale, Lancashire, England    Scholar
John BRINDLE    Boarder    M    Male    76    Preston, Lancashire, England    Varnish Manfr (M F)
Harriet WATKISS    Servant    U    Female    18    Lawleybank, Shropshire, England    Genl Servant

Again this was not listed in the 1855 Directory.

Black A Moor Hotel 175 Lancaster Road Preston



In the Local Directory for 1855 it is listed as the "Black A Moor Head" at the hands of James Smith.

In the 1891 Census the Residents are the Maison or Mason (I think)

James Maison Head 38 Manager of Public House born in Wrexham (I think)
Alice Maison Wife 27 born in Bedford Leigh Lancashire
James son 4 born in Bolton Lancashire
Blake son 2 born in Bolton Lancashire
Maud 10 Months born in Ashton Lancashire
Alice Smethurst Barmaid 29 born Lancaster
Ellen Manning Servant 25 born in Garstang

I shall go and do some more digging around.

If you get chance it is worth you going to the Library on Bow Street.  If you ask to see the Local Directories you can check by year to see who was resident at the time and it may help you work out when these Public Houses were built.

It may also be possible to view old Photographs of these buildings at the Library.

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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 March 04 12:41 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that info! let me know if you find anymore.

I will go check the library in the next day or so, and will
let you know what i find.

cheers, steven.
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History of Pubs in Preston
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 April 04 18:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi, i was just wondering if anyone had any information on any of the pubs in Preston City Centre. I am doing a photography project and need some history on the pubs i am photographing.
In particular i am looking at the pubs that are on the side streets off Church Street and around that area.
These include The Wellington, Revolution, Ocean, The Voodoo, Hartleys Wine Bar, The Exchange, The Fox and Grapes, Angels and The Corn Exchange.
I am interested in anything to do with these pubs including if they were anything before being turned into pubs or bars.
If anyone has information i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks Matt.
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 April 04 20:59 UTC (UK) »

Hello Matt,

Is it possible you can provide me with addresses for the Pub's in question  Huh

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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 April 04 18:05 UTC (UK) »

I'm not actually sure of the street names that these pubs on. All i know is that they are on the side streets off Church Street. When i go back to Preston after the easter holidays i will find out.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 April 04 18:53 UTC (UK) »

Here we go, some addresses (which I hope I've searched right) to set the ball rolling, and a little historic info on The Corn Exchange too:

The Wellington Inn
40 Glovers Court
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3LS

Revolution Vodka Bar
1 Main Sprit Weind
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3XB

Ocean Bar & Grill
37 Cannon St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 3NT

The Voodoo Lounge
16 Winckley St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2AA

Hartleys of Preston
7 Mount St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 8BS

(The Exchange not found)

The Fox & Grapes
15-16 Fox St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2AB

(Angels not found)

The Corn Exchange is now apparently called Assembly
The Assembly
Lune St
Preston Lancashire
PR1 2NL

The Corn Exchange (or The Assembly):

http://www.winckleysquare.org.uk/press_notices/post20.html
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The Corn Exchange Preston

The Corn Exchange was opened in 1824 and originally included an open court yard.

In 1853, after major refurbishment, it was opened as the town’ first exhibition centre.

In 1882 it was transformed into a huge public hall.

The coat of arms of Preston, rescued from the old town hall of 1780, can be seen above the entrance way to The Assembly.

The statue outside commemorates the scene of an ugly demonstration which took place at 10am on Saturday August 13, 1842, when five striking cotton workers were killed by soldiers.


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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 April 04 20:21 UTC (UK) »

1891 Census

The Fox & Grapes RG12/3441 110
15-16 Fox St


In 1891 number 15 was the Fox and Grapes public house.

Herbert Parry Head 38 Licensed Victualler born in Bristol Glouc
Elizabeth Wife 30 born in Preston Lancs
James E Son 5 born in Preston Lancs
Annie M Dau 4 Months born in Preston Lancas
Alice Walmsley Aunt 22 Barmaid born in Preston

number 16 and 17 was "**thorpe Hotel" (difficult to read)

Elizabeth "Comphall" (looks like) Widow 65 born in lytham
James Son 35 Licensed Victualler born in Preston
Thomas Son 27 born in Preston
Mary Hyde 1 born in Preston
also a female servant looks like Bergan aged 15 born in Lancashire.

Hartleys of Preston
7 Mount St RG12/3441 27-31

It was the homes address of Barthelemy Sailise 42 Steward of the Reform Club born in France
Rose Anna Adele Wife 34 born in France
Alice Rose Dau 11 born in W London
Harold Son 9 born in Brighton
Claude son 6 born in London
Glea dau 3 born in Preston
Alec Jean Son 5 months born in Preston
Elizabeth Murray Servant 70 Sicknurse born in Ireland

37 Cannon Street RG12/3441 21-22 Again this was still a homes address in 1891. The writing is very poor but the main house holder was Miss A Cooper 37 born in Durham with 2 female lodgers.
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Shropshire: Sockett
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 April 04 17:56 UTC (UK) »

Thanks very much for your help, i will be able to use that information in my project.
Thanks again, Matt!
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Re:local pub history - Preston lancashire
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 April 04 17:59 UTC (UK) »

If anyone has any old photographs or articles featuring any of the pubs in preston that that would also be useful and i would be very greatful. Matt.
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 April 04 17:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Matt,

I have checked the trade directories for Preston in 1855 and found a couple of interesting bit of imformation for you.

There were 2 public houses called the "Fox and Grapes" one in Fox Street run by Nancy Gent and one  on Ribbleton Lane run by a Edward Rothersall.

I found the Wellington simply listed as "Wellington" in Glover's Court  run by Henry Forshaw.

I had trouble reading the census for
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number 16 and 17 was "**thorpe Hotel"
well I had a look at all public houses in the area and could only find one which looked right but it did not give an address.  It simply said "Rawthorne Arms" William Anderson.

Hope this helps

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 April 04 19:54 UTC (UK) »

Historical Directory of Preston
http://www.historicaldirectories.org

This site contains some directories that cover Preston, you can search by name or street.
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 July 04 06:43 UTC (UK) »

With regard to the Golden Cross Pub - in Preston. My ancestor Robert Gornall was the owner in the late 1700's and early 1800's.  I believe it was in our family for 100 years or more. (I'm working on the early part of the family tree to see which pub was in the family in 1604 when Hugh Gornall of Preston was an ale house keeper). When Robert Gornall died about 1830, it passed out of the family.  The building that is there now is not the original one. It is on the original site, but the place was rebuilt in Victorian Times.  Robert Gornall was a Burgess with the Preston Guild Merchant and was registered with the Guilds of 1782, 1802 and 1822. As well as being an innkeeper, he was the Bailiff and a common councillor.  Also the Billet Master.

Catherine Proctor
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