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1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« on: Saturday 28 July 07 07:21 UTC (UK) »

I've got so far as Charles Edwin Wilson b Canterbury abt 1830. I know his father was;
JAMES WILSON
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1841- JAMES WILSON-CANTERBURY
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 July 07 07:27 UTC (UK) »

I repeat... (what happened there?)

I know that Charles Edwin Wilson born abt. 1830 in 'Canterbury' Kent was the son of;

JAMES WILSON a farmer.

Can any kind person have a look in 1841 for JAMES WILSON (probably born around 1805) and see if he's there please?

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Re: 1841- JAMES WILSON-CANTERBURY
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 July 07 08:03 UTC (UK) »

I don't suppose you have an ideas of his mother's name or other siblings?

This is a possible - all born in county
King Street, St Alphage, Canterbury, Kent
Ann Wilson 46 Green Grocer
Caroline 17
Mary Ann 13
Phillis 11
Charles 9
Emma 6
Joseph 3
HO107; Piece 486; Book: 2; Folio: 32; Page: 8
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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 July 07 08:34 UTC (UK) »

'Fraid not... the only information I have comes from Charles' wedding certificate for his marriage to Elizabeth Duffield. (Charles is given as 'born Canterbury' in various other sources.)

The single piece of info I have for James Wilson is his appearance on his son's wedding cert. He is not noted as 'deceased' so I presume James was alive in June 1852.

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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 July 07 09:06 UTC (UK) »

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He is not noted as 'deceased' so I presume James was alive in June 1852.

No you can't take that for granted - if he wasn't asked then he wouldn't have answered. 

That was the only Charles Wilson I saw in Canterbury except one other, aged 4 whose father was John a carpenter.

Which censuses do you have them on? and what date was his marriage and where?
 
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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 July 07 09:24 UTC (UK) »

Checking the census the other way - ie those James living in Canterbury, there is only one who is a possible but there is no Charles at home and at that age, and with other children at home I would have expected him to be there.

New Ruttington Lane, St Mary's Northgate, Kent
All born in County
James Wilson 45 Labourer
Mary 37
Mary 16
John 11
Thomas 9
Charlotte 5
Sarah 2
HO107; Piece 486; Book: 16;  Folio: 26; Page: 16

As you have a middle name I can only suggest that you look for his baptism in the churches of the area.

Unfortunately I don't see an entry for him on the IGI.  Have you checked the local FHS to see what Parish Registers they have available? they may well have more transcribed than have been filmed by the LDS.
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Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 July 07 09:46 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your interest MaryA

I cannot find Charles in the 1851 census. He would have been 21 and may well have gone to seek his fortune in London.

In 1861 Charles (b 1830 Canterbury) is in London (St Giles, Cripplegate) with wife Elizabeth and children Jane, Frederick and Charles b1858 (my gg grandfather)

Charles Edwin Wilson (b1830) married Elizabeth Duffield from Stepney on 13th June 1852 at St Leonards ,Shoreditch. BMD Shoreditch 1c 415. It is on this that father James a farmer appears.

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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 July 07 19:33 UTC (UK) »

I thought that might have been the entry in 1861 and the only one I could really consider in 1851 might be the one working as a confectioner's assistant for Isabella Elie? at 10 Oxford Street, All Souls, Marylebone, Middlesex.  He's 21 and gives his birthplaces as Kent Greenwich.  It's possible that he wasn't at home when the enumerator took the details and somebody else took a guess?
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Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 July 07 07:06 UTC (UK) »

That 'Greenwich' link is a bit of a 'red herring'. I've traced that Charles Wilson through and he's not my Charles.
I'm going to view Charles Edwin's christening records (if I can find them!} in the Canterbury archives. I don't know what information as regards his parents I can expect to find.

'Nice that your so interested and so helpful.
Thanks
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Re: 1841-James WILSON - Canterbury.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 July 07 08:04 UTC (UK) »

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Nice that your so interested and so helpful.

We try  Grin

Good work following the Greenwich one through, that might be your only option left to discount each Charles that you find until maybe you are left with just the one.

Don't ignore any that might be married either, just because his marriage certificate to Elizabeth didn't say he was a widower doesn't mean that he wasn't one.  I've come across an instance where a widow has claimed to be a spinster - maybe she wasn't asked? and also a marriage where the man claimed to be a widower but there is absolutely no evidence that he was married previously, this could be an error.
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Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
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