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Topic: Windrigg Kirk, Dalton, Dumfriesshire (Read 332 times)
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purplekat
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Hi balmoral2003
Sorry as yet I have no other info on Mary Vivers, I hope that at some point when I'm in the Dumfries area I'll find time to investigate further.
Jean 
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balmoral2003
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Hi Purple Kat
having looked into it a bit deeper, I am 99% certain Mary is Richard Vivers' daughter. He was farming Hill at least in 1774 (according to a memorial inscription of Mary's sister Jennet, who died that year, aged 19 years old. She was buried at the Annan Old Burial ground.) Didn't know about Mary, have 6 other siblings of her and their descendants. The spelling as "Veevors" kept her for me in the dark! Richard was also farming Murraythwaite at some point.
Have never posted on this forum before but it seems a very helpful, with a lot of local knowledge bunch of people. One of my aims is finding out more about Richard Vivers, b 1705 d 1790 buried in Annan. His memorial inscription says he hailed from Yorkshire. Would love to find out more about this family.
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purplekat
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Hi balmoral2003
Thanks for the info, If I find out any more about Richard and can find a link with Mary I'll certainly let you know, you've given me a lead to follow although I don't think I'll progress much further looking for her by computer, it will be spring or summer before I visit the area again.
I take it you are descended from Richard, which of his children is your ancestor?
On the subject of Rootschat it is a great forum with lots of helpful people.
Jean
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balmoral2003
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Hi Jean
I am married to a descendant of Richard, via Mary's brother William. Strangely enough, only the two sons William and Richard have a birth entry through the parish registers. The girls only appear either via marriages and two of them died young and I found out about them through the Memorial Inscriptions of Annan old burial ground.
We go to the area quite often, but I agree that spring time is a much better time to visit! And Dalton has got a fantastic Thai restaurant that's very worthwhile visiting.
Ingrid
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balmoral2003
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Hello csc
Yes, this Robert is a son of William (who was farming at Murthat, which no longer exists but we found it be in (brother of Mary) and ancestor of my hubby, and the Dornock Vivers are again descending from this Robert. The grocer William comes down the other son's line. Anything you know about the family is very welcome...I've got a lot on this family but there remain certain mysteries...
My patriarch for this family is Richard, who had two sons William b 1745 (as above) and Richard b 1757. Richard jr married an Agnes Irving and had sons John b 1780 and Richard b 1781. These are the ones I have birth entries for. However, there are also a Robert b 1783 and William (grocer) b 1787. From the info I have they could not be William's children and have to be Richard's. However, no conclusive proof! Mother Agnes died in 1788 (presumably after childbirth?).
The farmer where you camped was either my husband's great grandfather or grandfather! Do you remember if he was very old? The great grandfather died in 1957. So exciting you stayed there! Christielands?
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purplekat
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I can't wait to go there now, considering the cost of petrol it might be easier to stay for a few day in order to fit everything in.
Jean
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balmoral2003
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Hello Jean and CSC
This is all great stuff! Annan Academy teacher could be my mother in law? She taught there for a short while in the Eighties. Or was it earlier? Miss Knox's mother was a Vivers who married the solicitor Knox. She is now called Creighton and a cousin of my father-in-law.
Vivers was at the time an unusual name in the area and so far I've been able to trace all the dumfriesshire Vivers back to this Richard b 1705 d 1790. I wish I could find his birth entry anywhere....I only have his info from his memorial inscription, and also the fact that he was from Yorkshire. Then the name Vivers appeared in the 16th and 17th century in the Banbury area, they were woollen merchants and early founders of the Quaker movement. If you google the name you'll come across old stories. What I have been hoping to do, but so far have not been able to is finding the missing link between the Banbury Vivers and the Annan Vivers.
Murthat, I found it on an old map, was in the garden of now Limekilns, which is appparently now farmed by a son of this Miss Knox. And Murraythwaite was farmed by the first Richard. I found in the Edinburgh a fantastic old letter about him. Is there a way of passing on e-mail addresses and I could send both of you a transcription of this letter?
The Jenny Mills farm (Brydekirk, isn't it?) was also farmed by a William Vivers. The amount of William's in this family is astonishing and confusing! His son John was a captain in the army during WW1 and unfortunately got killed. He had been to Annan Academy as well (my hubby too by the way).
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purplekat
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Hi csc and Ingrid
I'll send you both a pm, (private message), with my email address then we can keep in touch and update each other with any future developments
Jean
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