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Lazarus
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Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« on: Friday 27 July 07 04:31 BST (UK) »

I recently acquired the 1764 Will of Richard Harry of St Kew.
I would like advice as to interpreting the document which reads as a Bond entered into by his wife Ann Harry and two others,William Lobb of St Breock,and Thomas Lobb of St Breock,both yeomen.
Ann Harry is referred to as a widow and appears to be the sole beneficiary.The documents also mention that Richard Harry was intestate.I am guessing that this might be an administration of his estate and he would have died recently.
Information much appreciated as this appears to be a link to my early Harry family who I have traced to St Kew.


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 July 07 04:46 BST (UK) »

I am researching my Harry family of St Kew and find that Richard is a common first name.
I would appreciate any available information concerning Richard Harry who married 17 Apr.1752 St Kew, Ann Lobb.I think they had children William 1753,Jane 1755 and Catherine 1757.
If I am interpreting the 1764 Will of Richard Harry correctly ( ? an Administration),he must have recently died and his widow Ann Harry as referred to is nee Lobb.
William Lobb and Thomas Lobb,both yeomen of St Breock also sign the document which I understand to be a Bond due to Richard being intestate.
I am trying to prove where Richard Harry and likely Ann Lobb fit my tree.
There is another marriage St Kew 14 Jun 1768 of Richard Harry to Ann Brown.Look ups much appreciated.


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 July 07 01:23 BST (UK) »

Hi Lazarus,

I am not really up on wills and administrations and not really sure what you are asking here. It appears Richard Harry died intestate (without leaving a will) therefore his wife entered into an administration bond (admon) to settle his estate. She entered this bond with 2 other respectable gentleman (sounds like relatives - father - brother(s) perhaps) guaranteeing that although her husband has died and left no will, all his debts would be settled, and obligations met.

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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 July 07 01:50 BST (UK) »

Thank you Kris for your reply.My basic understanding agrees with you.Whilst the CRO describes it as a Will he appears to be intestate and the administration with Bond is the procedure whereby his estate is settled.I think that Richard Harry had married AnnLobb.This is supported by the other Lobbs being party to the Bond.
I made another posting on Cornish Lookups hoping to get confirmation of some dates and marriage to Ann Lobb.
If I am correct the marriage 17.4.1752 St Kew of Richard Harry to Ann Lobb is the one and produced children William 15.7.1753,Jane 6.7.1755 and Catherine 22.5.1757.
This is not to be confused with the marriage 14.6.1768 St Kew to Ann Brown,producing 6 children 1769-1779.Trying to prove different Richard.
Most appreciative if you can help further.
Cheers
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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 July 07 01:58 BST (UK) »

Hi Rex,

I would say you are quite correct. Richard Harry = Ann Lobb was dead in 1764 therefore he is not the same man as married Ann Brown in 1768. You are definitely talking 2 Richard Harry's here........Kris Cheesy


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 July 07 02:34 BST (UK) »

Thank you Kris.
Can I assume the first Richard Harry died 1764?
I would like to find his parents also parents of Richard who married Ann Brown,so that I can link up the respective families.
I am guessing but can't be sure that he is the son Richard Harry referred to in the Will of Philippa Harry (Admin.St Kew 1747).She died 1746 and had been married to John Lynam but married William Harry in a second marriage.
Sorry to be so obscure but I have been searching for ages.
No reference to children in Will of Ann (Lobb) Harry.
I greatly appreciate your assistance and advice.
Rex


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 July 07 02:43 BST (UK) »

Unfortunately I don't see a death for Richard (2) 1813-1837 but there is

HARRY Ann 24 Jan 1827 aged 85 years

That puts a birth at around 1742

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BROWN Ann 18 July 1742 St Kew parents Samuel and Jane

Samuel BROWN = Jane PAIN 30 Sep 1741 St Kew

I am not seeing any Harry marriages St Kew in the right era

Probably haven't helped at all here

Kris Cheesy

PS Yes I expect so 1763/4 - I can't help with burials from that era but I would expect the admon was soon after


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 July 07 02:54 BST (UK) »

Funny Rex,

I don't see the marriage of John LYNAM = Philippa nor the marriage of William HARRY = Philippa. Where were they?..........Kris Undecided


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« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 July 07 03:22 BST (UK) »

I have just been working backwards with Male Harry's = St Kew and there are some females but no male marriages between a possible Harry in 1702 and Richard = Ann LOBB

Working Backwards about 100 years from There

John HARRIS [HARRY] = Elizabeth RUNDLE 1 Jan 1702

Johannes HARRY = Elizabetha LOBB 1 Jan 1688

Johannes HARRY = Katherina SKINARD 13 Jul 1668

Williemus HARRY = Johanna CREWSE 20 Oct 1664

Williemus HARRY = Elizabeth KEST 23 Oct 1662

Johannes HARRIES = Dorothea HENDER 29 May 1662

Steven HARRY = Philippa DOWNING 8 Oct 1661

Johannes HARRIES = Gratia BUTTON 12 Jul 1659

Johannes HARRY = Beton CHAPMAN 10 Apr 1654

Johannes HARRY = Jana HILL 29 Jan 1650

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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 July 07 03:28 BST (UK) »

Thanks again Kris.
All I have is the respective Wills Of John Lynam bur.16.1.1715,William Harry 15.4.1733 and Philippa (Lynam) Harry 13.3.1746 all at St Kew.This should give me death years but no sign of births/bapt. or marriages.
William left all to Philippa and Philippa mentions children by Lynam and by Harry.I have connected successfully to Harry children (I think).
Sorry if I am vague.
Rex

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I will check out your latest posting and come back to you.


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 02:51 BST (UK) »

Good morning Kris
I have checked out the marriages you gave me but regret cannot connect to any of these.
The Richard Harry b29.7.1740 who married Ann Brown appears to be a son of John Harry (gentleman) and Mrs Margaret Hamley (? previous marriage).John and Margaret married 25.7.1725 St Kew.They had 6 children,the last 4 including Richard born St Mabyn.
I think John could be a brother of William Harry who married the widow Philippa Lynam.
I am yet to discover details of Richard Harry,s/o William Harry and Philippa.He received the bulk of Philippa's estate when she died (Admin 1747).
I found reference to a Richard Harry paying rent for Polroad Manor-Lynhams(sic) tenement in Trelill 1747/8.
I note that you have combined my postings re Cornish Wills with the other regarding Richard Harry.
Thanks once more.
Rex


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 03:08 BST (UK) »

Hi again Rex,

Just checked and that marriage is St Mabyn not St Kew

John HARRY of St Kew and Mrs Margaret HAMLEY 25 Jul 1725

No previous marriage for Margaret in that parish

Cheers Kris Cheesy

PS Yes Rex, since we were into your Harry's on the Wills Post anyway I thought it best to merge the threads Wink


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 03:43 BST (UK) »

Thank you Kris.
I assume that she had been married before and the convention would have been to marry again using her married name.
I think I will need to check out other parishes nearby including St Mabyn,St Breward,St Breock etc.
I think John b1730 St Mabyn,brother of Richard who married Ann Brown,may have married 1750 St Breward,Mary Pawly.
I recall "Pawlys Tenement" or similar referred to in the Will of Philippa Harry.
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 03:54 BST (UK) »

Yes that one checks out Rex

John HARRY of St Mabyn = Mary PAWLY St Breward by Licence 31 Jul 1750

Here is St Mabyn

http://www.stmabyncornwall.co.uk/

and St Breward

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~chrissystbrewardopc/index.htm

I wonder if some of these marriages which are not surfacing in Cornwall may have taken place in Devon

Kris Cheesy


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Re: Cornish Wills - Richard HARRY died St Kew c 1764
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 01 August 07 05:21 BST (UK) »

Hello again Kris
I haven't done anything about checking Devon yet as going on Wills available for Harry family 1624,1646 and and 1676 there were Harrys (Yeomen) at that time.I have copies of these Wills but they are terribly hard to read.
I think William Harry (d1733) who married Philippa Lynam (d1746),had a brother John (gentleman) who married Mrs Margaret Hamley.
My line runs through Matthew Harry and Elizabeth Benallack,then William Harry and Isabell Trethewy,Nicholas Harry and Jane Hammer and finally John Hammer Harry their son who came to Australia.
I the early 1800s my lot appear to have moved from St Kew to St Stephen in Brannel.
On the other hand the family of John Harry (gentleman) and Margaret Hamley onwards,were more concentrated in St Mabyn.
I am still to discover the birth details for William and Philippa,also there marriage.
Thank you for all your help.
Rex


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