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Jax49
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Police constable-Galway
« on: Tuesday 31 July 07 19:32 UTC (UK) »

Hope someone can help.

On my grandparents marriage certificate it says my grandmothers father,CHARLES GEORGE O'SULLIVAN was a POLICE CONSTABLE. My grandparents married in England in 1929, Charles was already deceased by this time. Both grandparents were from County Galway. As yet I have no idea when he was born.

How do I access any records for Charles, any help would be appreciated.

Jax Huh
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O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 20:01 UTC (UK) »

Did your grandparents get married in  a R.C. church in england? If they did that church would have been incontact with the parish church she was fromin Ireland and they would hold all her records if she was rasied there? I know this because that is how i found out which part of Ireland my own father came from. when you find out let us know
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http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search/index.php?browse=true&category=14&subcategory=81&offset=10&browseresults=true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Galway

http://www.irish-roots.net/galway-west.asp

And if you have not yet been there , you will love it , might be worth the trip  Smiley
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 August 07 14:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Migky

That bit of information was great, I never thought of that!! Presumably I am best writing to the church, is that correct? They did marry in a catholic church ,my grandparents, but my mum seems to think she wasnt born into the catholic church but changed later. we think her mum may have been catholic and Charles, her father, may have been church of Ireland we arnt too sure.

We hope to go over to Galway next year, my mum went in the 1930/40s to Oughterard to visit her grandparents and her Ryan grandfather lived in Galway city.

What I also didnt make clear was I would like to know if I can acces Charles Police records, how do I go about getting them or is it not possible?

Thanks again for your valuable advice.

Jacqui.
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O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 August 07 14:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi yep write to the church most have a whole mess of papers going back 100's of years , and i will try and find more on the police  thing for you . my family lived in the city to right in the middle lol thats why it called middle street lol
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 August 07 15:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,

You may have seen an earlier post about the Mechanics institute, that is where my other Grt Grandad Ryan lived. He was the club steward there, at least in the 1920/30/40s, and that is on Middle Street, Galway City. I have written to them and hope they reply!! Our ancestors may have been neighbours Cheesy

Jax
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 08:18 UTC (UK) »

HI JAX
I also had a g.grandfather who was a policeman in Galway back in 1861. You can trace his police record, but unfortunately these are held in Dublin. You may get some indication of the location in Galway from the Griffith Valuation tables which list all heads of families in 1855 and if you know the area then the parish records can be used. Parish records are also kept in Dublin for all areas.
Hope you have some success.
Brian
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 16:27 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Brian

My grandmother was born in Cornamona in 1908, by 1929 he was dead ( grandmothers marraige cert) so it must have been around that area.

thank you.

Jax
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 17:09 UTC (UK) »

You can trace his police record, but unfortunately these are held in Dublin. You may get some indication of the location in Galway from the Griffith Valuation tables which list all heads of families in 1855 and if you know the area then the parish records can be used.

Griffith's Valuation will probably not be much use as policemen used to move about and I think many, like bank staff, were posted outside their home area. Also, Griffith's is a bit too early.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 October 07 15:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jax,
It's almost certain that if Charles was a police constable serving in Co. Galway he would have joined the police force in a completely different county, as it was the practice to post contables out of their own area. Mine was born and joined the force in Co. Wicklow and was posted to Galway.
Best of Luck
Brian
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 October 07 12:13 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your reply brian.

Since I last posted I have found who I believe to be my G Grandfather on the Ancestry site ,where they list police officers in Ireland. I had viewed the 1911 census at my local LDS church and on it was his age and I could link it to the age of a Charles on ancestsry. If indeed it is him he joined in Galway and seemed to go everywhere. He married a Jane  Adam from Londonderry, married in Enniskillen, had children in Cork, Kerry, Galway and Clare. He certainly travelled! He ended up in Cornamona retired and having a new career as a Postmaster and farmer. Wow! I am at present awaiting the film from the LDS relevant to my grandfathers police career, if indeed it is him.

Will update as and when.

Jacqui.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 October 07 14:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jacqui,
I am pleased that you have managed to get much further with tracing your G. Grandfather. I didn't know that Ancestry has a site for police officers, which will be a big help for future research. I had to go to Dublin to the records office for details of my ancestor's police records. He joined in 1851.
Strange that he ended up in Cornamona. I spent a weeks holiday there about 10 years ago. It has a saw mill on the outskirts but little else in the way of employment ( except for tourism ).
Best of luck
Brian
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 October 07 16:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Brian,

Ancestry gives the film and page only. I just typed in Charles O'sullivan and there he was. I then went to the local LDS FHC and ordered the film for £2.70. cheaper than a flight to Dublin!! If it isnt the correct one then its back to the drawing board.
What kind of information did you find by the way? I am not sure what to expect.

All the best

Jacqui.

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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 October 07 16:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi , it should tell you where they lived what they worked as and who owned the house/land . who was in that house. If R.C. or C-of-I , if the could read and write.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 October 07 22:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jacqui,
The documents on Irish Police are in the form of a ledger. It gives the name of the constable, age on joining, former profession e.g. farmer. place of joining and county, the person who introduced the contable to the police force and other marks of distinction e.g. height etc. It also gives the place he trained and the County to which he was appointed. It also gives any misdemeaners and the reason for resigning, as well as any promotions.
Sadly it did not tell me where he lived prior to his joining the force, just the place he joined.
Brian
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 October 07 22:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi , it should tell you where they lived what they worked as and who owned the house/land . who was in that house. If R.C. or C-of-I , if the could read and write.
Think this refers to details on census record not what is in police records?
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