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Jax49
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 October 07 15:31 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Brian,

It would be fun it there was a misdemeanor, but I doubt it! I think Charles served for quite a long while and just retired. What I am hoping for is his whereabouts in 1901 seeing as none of his children were born conveniently around that time! They seemed to go from county to county so it hard to pinpoint a place.

Thanks again, I hope I get lucky

Good luck with your search,

Jacqui.
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Storey Kendal/Eccles. Ryan County Galway Ireland.
O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
Jax49
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 October 07 15:29 UTC (UK) »

Just to update. I have viewed the microfilm, and sure enough it was my G Grandad.

The text was very difficult to understand lots of numbers that make no sense to me at all. Charles O'Sullivan went through the ranks to become Head Constable. Interestingly in 1873 he was fined the sum of £2, a lot of money in 1873!
He served in Clare, Kerry and Limerrick.
On his county of origin it says Galway then underneath Mayo! In 1911 he was in Cornamona which is on the border of Mayo, so perhaps he was born in Mayo but lived in Galway. Perhaps he returned to his roots.

If anyone has knowledge of the meaning of all these numbers I would be glad to hear from you.

Jax
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O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 20:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jacqui,
If you can let me know the numbers you recorded from the microfiche then I will see if they have any correlation to those I recorded.
Brian
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Jax49
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #18 on: Monday 19 November 07 20:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Brian

Sorry I havent sent the numbers on the ledger. I have since found out that some of the numbers link to his awards.

I found he had received a medal and a bar from the Royal Humane society for saving two peoples lives on different occasions. The RHS website is great for seeing awards won by people all over Great Britain. I then wrote to the local library for Ennis and was sent two wonderful accounts of his rescues as recorded in the local paper for Ennis at the time.

Maybe your ancestor won an award its worth taking a look!

Jacqui

Ps apologies if you have already checked.
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Storey Kendal/Eccles. Ryan County Galway Ireland.
O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 22 November 07 19:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jacqui,
Thanks for your email. I will take your advice and see if there is any listing for Thomas Dowling.
Regards
Brian
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #20 on: Monday 02 June 08 19:20 UTC (UK) »

Only just registered on here, and I'm finding out stuff already!
This thread caught my eye as I recently discovered my grandmother's baptism record in Kilcummin, Oughterard and it lists her father's occupation as "Constable" in at the time (1893). The point about police constables being moved about could ring true in my case too as my granny was buried in Kildare in a family grave with no apparent connection to her parents (that we know of). This "ancestry site" mentioned in earlier posts....can anyone give me the full website address as I'm in a bit of a cul-de-sac on my great grandfather, what with no more than his occupation in 1893 (and his wifes name) to go on.

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Jax49
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #21 on: Monday 02 June 08 20:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Its Ancestry.co.uk. If you dont have a subscription I could look for you, if you can give me details. Ancestry just gives the name, age and place of birth if you have those I will take a peak. If you are lucky, and you find him, then the best thing to do is order the film from the nearest Latter Day Saints Centre, the index to the film is on Ancestry.

Good luck

Jacqui
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Storey Kendal/Eccles. Ryan County Galway Ireland.
O'SULLIVAN Oughterard/ Cornamona County Galway, Ireland. Butler and Burke, Count Galway.  Cowburn Atherton, Manley Worsley. Durban (various spelling) Chilvers Coton Warwickshire. Phidiam/Fidium Worsley.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #22 on: Monday 02 June 08 20:42 UTC (UK) »

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Hi

Its Ancestry.co.uk. If you dont have a subscription I could look for you, if you can give me details. Ancestry just gives the name, age and place of birth if you have those I will take a peak. If you are lucky, and you find him, then the best thing to do is order the film from the nearest Latter Day Saints Centre, the index to the film is on Ancestry.


Hi Sean

Welcome to Rootschat.

The London LDS centre has the film in so if you can provide a name/s I'll ve checking one or two people on it tomorrow and will look out for yours.

Glen
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #23 on: Monday 02 June 08 20:53 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the offer Jacqui, you're very good. Only problem is I'm only at the stage of having his name. Place of birth & age are still great imponderables I'm afraid.

Cheers to you too Glen. I'll throw his name to you. If it comes to somethin', well great. If not, no harm done.

His name is Charles Lewis. I'm only guessing his base would've been in Kilcummin, Oughterard in 1893 (the year his daughter and my gran was born, and the place where she has been recorded as having been baptised)....

Good luck & thanks again to you both for the offer of help.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #24 on: Monday 02 June 08 21:02 UTC (UK) »

Sean

Ancestry has a Charles Lewis enlisting at age 20 in 1871. H was born in Kildare and there is a reference to a marriage or some other comment.

Would an 1851 birth sound right if you have any other info? Anyway, it will only take a few minutes to scribble down some details.

Glen

PS A big thank you to Jacqui as well as I'd never really looked at the RIC lists and to find they are LDS films was a very welcome surprise.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #25 on: Monday 02 June 08 21:20 UTC (UK) »

Sean

Ancestry has a Charles Lewis enlisting at age 20 in 1871. H was born in Kildare and there is a reference to a marriage or some other comment.

Would an 1851 birth sound right if you have any other info? Anyway, it will only take a few minutes to scribble down some details.

Glen

PS A big thank you to Jacqui as well as I'd never really looked at the RIC lists and to find they are LDS films was a very welcome surprise.

Glen, where have you been all my life?  Cheesy Only kidding, but you might be unfurling another branch on my tree here. It's at times like this that I wish I had more info  Undecided

An 1851 birth is plausable. That'd make him 42 at the time of the birth of my gran.

As I said earlier, my gran was buried in a grave in Kildare erected by what looks like a previous generation of Lewis' in a town called Mullacash. Interred in this grave is a Mary Lewis (d.1856 aged 39 yrs......who knows, maybe that's the mother of the Charles Lewis you've got?) The headstone was erected by a "William Lewis of Mullacash", although there are no details etched on the headstone of the death of this William Lewis. The only other info I have is that the wife of Charles Lewis (the constable) went by the name of Mary Carey.

Thanks again.
Sean.
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Jax49
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sean

Hope you do get some information let us know what you find. If you google "Royal Irish constabulary" there is a very interesting site and forum. the guy on the forum has been a great help to me in the past. At the moment I am trying to find my G G grandfathers records his name is Charles Clark unfortunately the Charles Clarks  on Ancestry  are too young Angry

Hope you find lots of info

Jacqui
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 21:18 UTC (UK) »


Glen, where have you been all my life?  Cheesy


Err...ummm...ah...how about hiding in the LDS Family History Centre?  Cool

I've found his record and it's a good 'un even if the clerks all seemed to be in a competition to write the most with the smallest possible writing.  Grin What I couldn't read is marked with a ?

It is record number 37852 (wonder if that's also his badge number?) and as the index said, he was a native of Kildare and was 20 when he joined. He was a tall lad at 6' 1 1/4" which was very tall for that time given the quality of food most people ate.

He was married and the record lists the date and which county the wife was from so we have:

Marriage 1- 3 Sept 1885 to a Kerry girl.
Marriage 2 - 15 Sept 1890 to someone from Clare so this would be your gran's mother
Marriage 3 - 27 Nov 1900 to someone from Galway WR (no idea what the WR means)

He was introduced to the Constabulary by Sub Inspector Power. There is text which straddles 2 columns but I think the reference MAyo SR refers to the Inspector and he was a laborer prior to joining on his appointment date of 7 June 871

As others have posted, he never actually served in his native Kildare but was posted to the following locations

Londonderry 13 Dec 1871
Reserve 18 April 1878
Tyrone 31 March 1880
Reserve 31 May 1880
Kerry 1 August 1883
Blake 10 Feb 1888
Galway WR 23 May 1891

Promotions
Promoted to AG1 August ??
Promoted to Sargeant 1 Jan 1887
Reduced to Constable 6 Dec 1890 (naughty boy!)

Rewards
Twenty something years 27 April 1887
Sub ?ec 29 June 1887

Punishments
Admd 19 Oct 1880
Fight (I think) 7 Sept 1881
Hn Rec 29 July 1889

And he took a pension on 1 January 1903 with a final comment seeming to read Comd in Wicklow



So there you go. Any questions are probably best posted to the Ireland - General board to get a wider audience. As for the marriage details, the LDs are setting up a new version of Familsearch here

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

and the Irish BMD indexes should be online in the, hopefully, not too distant future.

Cheers

Glen
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 00:07 UTC (UK) »

 Shocked Glen my man, you are a diamond. You must be my "beginners luck" on rootschat!

I'm astonished. Lots of info there to take in at once.....including 3 marriages (my aunt may have a fit when she hears that!). Talk about sailors having a girl in every port, eh?  Wink
It's amazing to think that this man born in the east of the island was sent to serve north, south & west, at a time when transport links would've been a touch more basic than they are now. Guess it's another example of what Brian1 stated about the practice of posting members outside of their own area. Plus the fact he appears to have re-married after my gran was born could be another reason why the info we had on him was so scarce.

Thanks a million again. Hope you found as much info on the one or two people you were tracing.

That's what I call a result!  Cheesy

Sean.
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Re: Police constable-Galway
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 00:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sean

Hope you do get some information let us know what you find. If you google "Royal Irish constabulary" there is a very interesting site and forum. the guy on the forum has been a great help to me in the past. At the moment I am trying to find my G G grandfathers records his name is Charles Clark unfortunately the Charles Clarks  on Ancestry  are too young Angry

Hope you find lots of info

Jacqui

Cheers for the lead Jacqui. As you can see, Glen has pulled a decent sized rabbit out of a hat with lots of info! There is a Clarke wing in my family, but it's all Kildare based, I'm afraid, and I haven't managed to make too much progress there myself.

I'm sure another piece of your jigsaw is just around the corner. The search continues for us all.....

Greetz,
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