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Topic: Caldwells from Magilligan (Read 1179 times)
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aghadowey
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Sorry but I tried Multimap link again and all I get is the red circle nearly in the middle of nowhere...
It does look like there are only 3 graveyards in the area but as I said Brian Mitchell's book County Londonderry Sources for Family History list four (r.c., C. of I., Presb. & public) but it would not be the 1st time the Genealogy Centre in Derry made a horrible mistake.
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E Caldwell
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Thanks Kingskerswell. This process is not easy and being so new to it, we are grateful for any insight from folks who have been at this for longer. We are leaning toward the theory that though they later became Presbyterians who were involved in the Magilligan Presbyterian Church when it was founded, the Caldwells from Tamlaghtard (or at least some of them), where with the Church of Ireland and rolled the 300 yards down the road to the Tamlaghtard Church of Ireland. Learning more about the politics of the Church of Ireland in Northern Ireland, and the political upheaval in the late 18th century in that region, there seems evidence to suggest that folks in the area could have switched churches during that period. As one of us speculated, perhaps the Church of Ireland became synonymous with the oppressive English rule and the baronet landowners and at some point in this period our own ancestors abandoned that church for the more radical Presbyterian Church.
This is one possible theory for why we have 3 Caldwells listed on the vestry of the Tamlaghtard Church of Ireland in the 18th century.
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aghadowey
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It is possible that not all on C. of I Vestry lists were members of that church.
My husband's family have always and all been Presbyterian but lived near the Chruch of Ireland and we have found that at least one ancestor in early 1800s was on vestry list. At the same time he paid stipend and attended Presbyterian church but was possibly buried in family plot in Church of Ireland burying-ground.
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aghadowey
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In earlier times Presbyterians had to pay tithes to the Established Church (Church of Ireland) but were entitled to burial in Parish Church ground. Also, some Presbyterian churches did not have their own burying-ground. Some C. of I. churches seemed to keep a 'Presbyterian' section for burials.
Very few Presbyterians would have gone to C. of I. Rector to get married, usually only if one of the couple were C. of I., and would have gone to Registry Office or other Presbyterian minister instead. Even know of cases in 1700s were Presbyterians went to R.C. priest to marry instead of C. of I. rector- including the sister of a Presbyterian minister.
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stmccmagilligan
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i am a native of magilligan. u should look at the graveyard in a field to the right as u head to the top of the limestone road. it is hid in a field and very old there is half burried stones and a standing templer stone with a clear distinctive red cross still present. the yard is in a field and hidden behind a small hill
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stmccmagilligan
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no this is where the old christian church was, at that time. not roman catholic , they would not affialiate with rome. all denominations were burried there up untill the late 17th. an old church did stand there then became church of ireland after the wars with the o neils after1640s. the ancient abbey is site is currently hid in the forest. it was taken down after the disestablishment and used to build a long house beside the ruins. in the present ruins there is an actual base of a round tower.
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akanex2
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Looking at Griffiths maps for the 1850s on this site http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
it looks like Kingskerswell is right. It clearly shows the Abbey ruins beside Church Hill on the right hand side of Limestone Road heading from Seacoast Road to Duncrun Road. The modern OS map shows a cross at this location (presumable the templar stone mentioned). The present Church of Ireland is on the left hand side of the same road at its junction with Duncrun Road.
Griffith doesn't show a burial ground at the abbey, though. Only at the CoI (Tamlaghtard) and at the RC church on down the Duncrun Road (Old Tamlaghtard) - even the Presbyterian graveyard is not shown, although the church and associated school are.
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E Caldwell
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Thanks everyone for the input. I wish that I had read this when you first posted it because my father was back in Dublin at Prioni and also at a B & B in Castlerock performing more research to try to unearth further clues. We now know that our Caldwells were in Magilligan, Tircrevan & Ballyleighery for we believe over 100 years. The big mystery/hope is that many of them are buried in some yet unidentified graves. They were tenants so it is possible that they did not have the money for stones but we have tied them to several large tracts of land, multiple structures and even notes of servants in the 1800s so we think it is more likely that they are buried with stones somewhere but we have not yet found them.
I am intrigued by stmccmagilligan's referencing a hidden graveyard up a limestone road. Can you let me know where that is so we can look into that further? Thanks so much for all of your help.
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stmccmagilligan
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you have the coi church and grave yard on the left of the limestone rd as you go up the hill. on the other side is a hidden very old yard. it is hard to get to as a streem and big hedge sre in the way. but if tou go to the top of the limestone road and park at the coi lane you can easilly walk over to the other side of the limestone road and go into the field. all denominations were burried there. the field belongs to the mcdivits who own the bunglow on the right. they will point help u out if you get a bit lost
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