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Jan Prit
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Hello to you all, I hope that you have a great and safe day. I am trying to find the family of the late Mr. William John Norris born on the 21/2/1822 England, he married a Anne Sorrell around the 1/4 September 1844 Edmonton London Anne was born around January 1828, the family had children in England, Walter and Frederick Norris then they came out to Australia and settled in Sydney Australia, would like to know more about them and link them together. Thanks Janet 
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I have found an Anne Sorrel (father James) in 1841 in Essex -she also has a brother Walter
Do you have the marriage cert of Ann and William John?
This would give father's names and occupations (also witnesses -who are sometimes relatives) and would save your research being a guess
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Norris/Sorrel
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Hello to Suz and Nanny Jan, thank you both very much for replying to my message it is great to find out people try to help out. Unfortunately I haven't found out yet when William and Ann came to Australia I may have to go to the Library and look through the reels there. I haven't the marriage certificate either to find out both their ancestors. I have to be careful to obtain their death certificates here to make sure that they are correct this usually tells a lot of the family. Once again thanks for the input it is greatly received. Have a good day and take care. Janet
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Janet,
Do you have the year of birth of Walter and Frederick?
What were the dates of birth for the children b. Australia -that would narrow the timescale of their move down
The 1841 census found showing Ann Sorrel with brother Walter in Essex, may be a possibility.
Edmonton reg district includes Essex
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hello Suz, Thanks for replying so quickly. On the death certificate of Henry James Norris (son of William John and Ann Sorrell) he died of tetanus on the 24/6/1907 witnesses at the burial were a Frederick and Walter Norris his wife Annie Maria Norris was still living. The children they had were Arthur aged 20, Esther aged 18 (my grandmother) Albert aged 16 and Lily aged 11. I am searching for the records of Frederick and Walter Norris to see if they passed away here, sometimes it is hard to find the right ones. William John Norris was a grocer by trade. Thanks for your help I will look later again the State BDM records are always changing. Take care Janet 
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Hello Suz, I have just been looking for Anne Sorrell in the 1841 Census I'm afraid I couldn't find her and brother Walter, their was a lot of the family name's shown. Frederick Norris died in 1946 I could purchase his certificate, but it might show the same information as Henry James Norris, sometimes the names are not the same, you may be paying for the wrong family. I will keep on looking have a great and safe weekend. Regards Janet How do you insert a picture under your name in the left hand side.
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1841
Ostend lane
Barnton
Essex
James Sorrel 37 ag lab
Mary 36
Richard 16
Anne 12
Walter 8
Easter 5mth (possibly should be Esther?)
Edward Rolf 35 ag lab
all b. county
HO 107 327 Folio 8 page 11
as i say -only a guess - you really need marriage cert for fathers' names
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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 Thanks for your news, I will have another look, I have also may contact to another source the Sorrel Web page and they will help. I wish sometimes I could travel over to visit everyone in England and thank them for searching for me, it is frustrating here not to know where to look. Have a great weekend. Janet
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Have you tried Googling the names because you often find Austrlian families' ancestors have already been researched and information has been put up on the web.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NORRIS/1997-06/0865721138
ANN SORREL
Christening: 27 FEB 1825 Cheshunt, Hertford
Father: WILLIAM SORREL
Mother: SARAH
NORRIS, William John
Age:23
Ann SORRELL
Age:20
Marriage Date:29 Aug 1844 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
Husband's Father:John NORRIS
Wife's Father:William SORRELL
1851 census HO107 1504 folio 315
17 Tottenham Road Hackney (London) Middlesex
William Norris 29 Shoreditch Middlesex Head Married Dairyman?
Ann Norris 26 Cheshunt Hertfordshire Wife Married
William Norris 5 Shoreditch Son
John Norris 3 Cheshunt Son
Eliza Norris 11 Mths Shoreditch Daughter
NORRIS, Alfred
Father: William J
Mother: Ann
Reg Year: 1859
Reg State:New South Wales
NORRIS, Frederick W
Father:William J
Mother:Ann
Reg Year: 1861
Reg State:New South Wales
NORRIS, Henry J
Father:William J
Mother:Ann
Reg Year: 1863
Reg State:New South Wales
NORRIS, Walter
Father:William J
Mother:Ann
Reg Year: 1866
Reg State:New South Wales
Regards
Valda
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Hello Valda, Great to receive your message, I will look into this straight away, I received information that Anne's parents were James and Mary Sorrel the dates are very close, still I am only going on records from other sources, I always look into BDM N.S.W. Australia and it sometimes doesn't show the parents so you are not sure if the names are the ones you are after. I don't go into Rootschat the often a lot of reading and searching. Keep safe and have a good week. Regards Janet
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Ann gave William as her father on her marriage in 1844 (see previous post - source BVRI taken from Cheshunt parish register) and on her death registration in New South Wales.
There are no James and Mary Sorrells in Cheshunt.
Ann gave her birthplace as Cheshunt on the 1851 census and a birth date circa 1825/6.
The known children of William John and Ann from the 1851 census born in England and their civil registration details in New South Wales
WILLIAM HENRY NORRIS
Birth: 17 DEC 1845
Christening: 08 MAR 1846 Saint John The Baptist, Shoreditch, London
Father: WILLIAM JOHN NORRIS
Mother: ANN
Births Dec 1845
Norris William Henry Shoreditch 2 430
possiblle marriage
NORRIS, William H
MACAULIFFE, Deborah
1886
New South Wales
6062/1886
NORRIS WILLIAM H
MACAULIFFE DEBORAH
District COOMA
Death registration New South Wales
5319/1921
NORRIS WILLIAM H
parents WILLIAM J and ANN
District REDFERN
Births Dec 1847
NORRIS John Edmonton 3 12_
death registration New South Wales
10937/1916
NORRIS JOHN
parents WILLIAM J and ANN
District ASHFIELD
Births Jun 1850
Norris Eliza Ann Shoreditch 2 461
possible marriage
NORRIS, Eliza Ann
SCOTTS, William
1873
Reg State:New South Wales
1326/1873
SCOTTS WILLIAM
MORRIS or Norris? ELIZA ANN
District GLEBE
And Ann and William John's death registrations in New South Wales
death registration
12291/1893
NORRIS WILLIAM J
parents UNKNOWN UNKNOWN
District PETERSHAM
2854/1904
NORRIS ANN
father WILLIAM
District PETERSHAM
Regards
Valda
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:DHello Valda, Great to receive this message from you I would like to thank you very much for this information, I will look it up straight away on the BDM Records here and they will show more records. Once again thanks for you help I hope that you have a great day. Regards, Janet
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Hello Valda, Thanks for your great help in searching for the William John Norris and wife Ann Sorrel, is there any chance in finding out their parents background at all, or even a census, marriage certificate, would be very interested. Thanks
Janet
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1841 census HO107 444/11 folio 44
Cheshunt Hertfordshire
William Sorrell 45 Labourer
Sarah Sorrell 45
Sarah Sorrell 20
George Sorrell 15
Mary Sorrell 13
Henry Sorrell 11
Charlotte Sorrell 9
James Sorrell 7
Joseph Sorrell 5
all born Hertfordshire
Adult ages - those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census
1851 census HO107 1794 folio 205
9 Cadmony Lane Cheshunt Hertfordshire
William Sorrel 61 Head Widower
Sarah Sorrel 38 Daughter
James Sorrel 17 Son Ag lab
Joseph Sorrel 15 Son Ag lab
Thomas Sorrel 10 Son
no birthplaces given
Deaths Jun 1851
Sorrell Sarah Edmonton 3 105
Deaths Mar 1860
Sorrell William Edmonton 3a 117
Civil Registration began 1st July 1837. Before that date there are only oarish registers. This website explains what information can be found in a parish register pre 1837.
http://www.kenaud.dircon.co.uk/parish.htm
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Valda
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